KH-9 и KH-11

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October 1, 2012 - Index, Declassified Hexagon Records
http://www.nro.gov/foia/declass/HEXAGON%20Records.html

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Leroy

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ЦитироватьНадо понимать, возвращаемые капсулы на всех типах фотоспутников -- это была, в принципе, все та же капсула "Короны-Дисковерера"?
Ммм... я бы так не сказал...  :roll:
А можно поподробней, для ламеров?  :oops:

Sharicoff

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ЦитироватьНадо понимать, возвращаемые капсулы на всех типах фотоспутников -- это была, в принципе, все та же капсула "Короны-Дисковерера"?
Ммм... я бы так не сказал...  :roll:
А можно поподробней, для ламеров?  :oops:

Целенаправленно этот вопрос я не изучал, но помню, что в рассекреченных документах пробегало что-то насчет как минимум двух типоразмеров капсул для американских фоторазведчиков. Можно погуглить по запросам:

Mark 8 reentry vehicle (опционально - HEXAGON satellite)
Mark 5 reentry vehicle
Mark VIII reentry vehicle
Mark V reentry vehicle
Не пей метанол!

Liss

ЦитироватьINTELLIGENCE SATELLITE IMAGERY DECLASSIFIED FOR RELEASE
 
 An enormous volume of photographic imagery from the KH-9 HEXAGON intelligence satellites was quietly declassified in January and will be transferred to the National Archives later this year for subsequent public release.
 
 The KH-9 satellites operated between 1971 and 1984. The imagery they generated should be of historical interest with respect to a wide range of late Cold War intelligence targets but is also expected to support current scientific research on climate change and related fields of inquiry.
 
 The film-based KH-9 satellites were officially declared "obsolete" by the Director of National Intelligence in 2011.  The KH-9 imagery was nominally approved for declassification in February 2012, and then it was finally declassified in fact this year.
 
 ODNI spokesman Michael Birmingham said that approximately 97 percent of the satellite imagery that was collected from the 19 successful KH-9 missions was formally declassified by DNI James R. Clapper on January 11, 2013.
 
 "The small amount of imagery exempted from this declassification decision will be removed prior to its accession to the National Archives (NARA) and will remain classified pursuant to statute and national security interests, and reviewed periodically to determine if additional declassification is warranted," Mr. Birmingham said last week.
 
 The imagery is being transferred to NARA in stages, with final delivery scheduled for September 2013, he said.
 
 The transfer is being implemented pursuant to a November 2012 Memorandum of Agreement between the National Geospatial-Intelligence Agency (NGA) and the National Archives, under which the Archives is "responsible for providing public access to the declassified imagery."
 
 Reishia R. Kelsey of NGA public affairs confirmed that the imagery "will be made available to the public following its accession to NARA" later this year.
 
 The National Archives was not prepared last week to set a precise date for public release.  But an Archives official said that "NARA intends to make these records available to the public at our research room in College Park, MD as soon as possible following transfer."
 
 If successfully executed, the release of the KH-9 imagery will constitute a breakthrough in the declassification and disclosure of national security information. It will be one of several discrete but momentous shifts in secrecy policy during the Obama Administration that have often gone unrecognized or unappreciated. Though these declassification actions took years or decades to accomplish, they have been downplayed by the White House itself, which has seemed curiously ambivalent about them.  They include the public disclosure of the size of the U.S. nuclear weapons arsenal, the routine publication of the annual intelligence budget request, the release of the Office of Legal Counsel "torture memos," the declassification of the KH-9 satellite itself, and others.
 
 The KH-9 imagery is being processed for public release pursuant to the 1995 Executive Order 12951 on "Release of Imagery Acquired by Space-based National Intelligence Reconnaissance Systems."  That order had been effectively dormant since the Clinton Administration, when the last major release of intelligence satellite imagery (from the CORONA, ARGON and LANYARD missions) took place.
 
 The declassification of the KH-9 imagery is a massive undertaking, Mr. Birmingham of ODNI said last year.
 
 "For context, and to grasp the scope of the project, the KH-9/HEXAGON system provided coverage over hundreds of millions of square miles of territory during its 19 successful missions spanning 1971-1984," he said.  "It is a daunting issue to address declassification of the program specifics associated with an obsolete system such as the KH-9, which involves the declassification of huge volumes of intelligence information gathered on thousands of targets worldwide during a 13 year time period."
 
 
Сказанное выше выражает личную точку зрения автора, основанную на открытых источниках информации

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Поднимаю тему - уже сентябрь, что-нибудь где-нибудь появлялось относительно  "...The imagery is being transferred to NARA in stages, with final delivery scheduled for September 2013,..."

Брабонт

USA 129 de-orbitted? And USA 186 about to manoeuvre?

USA 129, the oldest orbiting member of the KH-11/CRYSTAL optical reconnaissance satellites, appears to have been de-orbitted during the past week.
Пропитый день обмену и возврату не подлежит

Sharicoff

Очередная порция: GAMBIT Dual Mode
Не пей метанол!

Sharicoff

Гражданин Giuseppe de Chiara (его картинками обычно иллюстрирует свои статьи Дуэйн Дэй) нарисовал все "Кейхоулы".

http://danielmarin.naukas.com/2014/05/21/la-historia-de-los-satelites-espias-norteamericanos-en-imagenes

Большая общая картинка здесь, по отдельности - внутри вышеприведенной ссылки.
Не пей метанол!

Старый

ЦитироватьSharicoff пишет:
Гражданин Giuseppe de Chiara (его картинками обычно иллюстрирует свои статьи Дуэйн Дэй) нарисовал все "Кейхоулы".
Ню-ню.
1. Ангара - единственная в мире новая РН которая хуже старой (с) Старый Ламер
2. Назначение Роскосмоса - не летать в космос а выкачивать из бюджета деньги
3. У Маска ракета длиннее и толще чем у Роскосмоса
4. Чем мрачнее реальность тем ярче бред (с) Старый Ламер

Leroy

А что, красиво и пользительно.

Sharicoff

Сомнительным в наборе является только КН-11, остальные все рассекречены и соответствуют действительности.
Не пей метанол!

Leroy

ЦитироватьSharicoff пишет:
Сомнительным в наборе является только КН-11, остальные все рассекречены и соответствуют действительности.
Вот именно. Ничего, скоро и КН-11 увидим.

horsh

Цитироватьскоро и КН-11 увидим.
У Вандеберга фотки KH-12-3 лучше чем KH-11. :-(
А как у него не возникает проблем с тем, что Голландия член NATO, интересно?

Leroy

Цитироватьhorsh пишет:
Цитироватьскоро и КН-11 увидим.
У Вандеберга фотки KH-12-3 лучше чем KH-11.
А как у него не возникает проблем с тем, что Голландия член NATO, интересно?
В смысле? А какие проблемы могут возникнуть?

Старый

ЦитироватьSharicoff пишет:
Сомнительным в наборе является только КН-11, остальные все рассекречены и соответствуют действительности.
Естественно! 
 И какраз то что  "КН-11" вставили в ряд уже известных спутников и создаёт главную ложь этой картинки. Некоторые могут подумать что это такая же правда как и все остальные. 
1. Ангара - единственная в мире новая РН которая хуже старой (с) Старый Ламер
2. Назначение Роскосмоса - не летать в космос а выкачивать из бюджета деньги
3. У Маска ракета длиннее и толще чем у Роскосмоса
4. Чем мрачнее реальность тем ярче бред (с) Старый Ламер

Старый

ЦитироватьLeroy пишет: 
Вот именно. Ничего, скоро и КН-11 увидим.
Сомневаюсь я что спутник находящийся в эксплуатации рассекретят. Срок снятия секретности - лет 25-30 после прекращения эксплуатации.
1. Ангара - единственная в мире новая РН которая хуже старой (с) Старый Ламер
2. Назначение Роскосмоса - не летать в космос а выкачивать из бюджета деньги
3. У Маска ракета длиннее и толще чем у Роскосмоса
4. Чем мрачнее реальность тем ярче бред (с) Старый Ламер

Старый

Приходится очередной раз повторить что внешний вид КН-11 известен.
 http://space.skyrocket.de/doc_sdat/eos-a.htm
 http://space.skyrocket.de/img_sat/eos-a__1.jpg
И то что спутники ЕОS разрабатывались на его базе было официально объявлено. 

И Терру сделали на его же базе но в урезаном варианте, чтоб уложить в более дешовый носитель. 

Всё это давно известно тем кто хочет знать. Но аналитегам всё нипочём. Они с упорством маньяков натягивают сову на Хаббл, ещё упоротее чем Молчан натягивал Мисти на Орион. 
1. Ангара - единственная в мире новая РН которая хуже старой (с) Старый Ламер
2. Назначение Роскосмоса - не летать в космос а выкачивать из бюджета деньги
3. У Маска ракета длиннее и толще чем у Роскосмоса
4. Чем мрачнее реальность тем ярче бред (с) Старый Ламер

Старый

 Там где на днище этой этажерки http://space.skyrocket.de/img_sat/eos-a__1.jpg  натыкано научных приборов, там на КН-11 стоит горизонтально телескоп чуть получше чем на последних Гамбитах. С отклонением оптической в любую сторону оси как на Гамбите. И ещё стоит широкоугольный сканер по виду примерно как широкоугольный сканер на Гелиосе-2. 

Можете к этой этажерке мысленно пририсовать четыре боковые цапфы и одну килевую как на ЮАРСе и представить её в грузовом отсеке шаттла. Если кто будет рисовать - не перепутайте, в отсеке она размещалась (бы) телескопом вверх (в торону створок ГО а не днища). 
1. Ангара - единственная в мире новая РН которая хуже старой (с) Старый Ламер
2. Назначение Роскосмоса - не летать в космос а выкачивать из бюджета деньги
3. У Маска ракета длиннее и толще чем у Роскосмоса
4. Чем мрачнее реальность тем ярче бред (с) Старый Ламер

Liss

Занятная статья на тему "Как KH-11 перерождался в KH-12, но так и не переродился"...

http://www.matthewaid.com/post/111202367761/national-geospatial-intelliegence-agency-gets-most

ЦитироватьNational Geospatial-Intelliegence Agency Gets Most of Its Satellite Photos From Commercial Satellites          

February 16, 2015
How Google Killed The KH-12
strategypage.com

The American NGA (National Geospatial Intelligence Agency) recently admitted what everyone already suspected, that it gets most of its satellite photos from commercial satellites. This was no secret inside the military. That's because since the late 1990s, when commercial photo satellites began to show up, military users were quick to buy and use this unclassified data. The commercial photo satellites gradually caught up with their military counterparts (which first appeared in the 1960s) and got even more business from the military. What really got this movement going was the 2005 appearance of Google Earth (earth.google.com). This easy-to-use web-based app revolutionized military intelligence. The military didn't like to admit it at first. But Google Earth putting so much satellite photography at the disposal of so many people, in such an easy-to-use fashion, also made much more information available to military professionals (and terrorists, and criminals and academics as well). All of these military users quickly appreciated what a splendid new tool they had.  
 
   To the U.S. Department of Defense, Google Earth's major problem was not it's ease-of-use, but the manner in which it showcased the shortcomings of the NGA, which was responsible for taking the satellite photos, spiffing them up as needed, and getting them to the troops. Trouble is, the stuff still wasn't getting to the troops that needed it, when they needed it. This was made very obvious when Google Earth showed up, and demonstrated how you can get satellite images to anyone, when they need them and do it with minimal hassle.  
 
   The NGA and other government agencies liked to keep all satellite (and aerial) in classified archives, just in case they contained some secrets a potential enemy could use. Google Earth did great damage to this attitude. Changing minds in the military intelligence community isn't easy. The restricted access to satellite photos is an old problem. Since the 1980s (when lots more satellite images became available, often on very short notice) generals, and other officers with access to "satellite imagery" have been complaining about the difficulty they had in getting their hands on this stuff or passing it on to the officers and troops who need it most.  
 
   Hundreds of billions of dollars has been spent on photo satellites since the 1960s, and the troops always seem to get leftovers, if anything and usually too late to be of any use. Yet the satellite people regularly conned Congress out of more money so they could build more satellites, and neat systems that would get the satellite imagery "to the troops." The goods never arrived, or never arrived in time. Generals gave angry testimony before Congress about this non-performance after the 1991 Kuwait War. The satellite people seemed contrite and said they would make it right. If given the money to do it. They got the money and the troops got nothing.  
 
   Then the troops got access to Google Earth in 2005 and saw firsthand what they have been missing. To make matters worse the software Google Earth uses to get the job done was first developed for the NGA. But the way the NGA operates you had to worry about security considerations and all manner of bureaucratic details before you could deploy a useful tool so they really couldn't use the Google interface on a wide scale. Mention that the troops in question are fighting a war and the NGA will point out that you still have to deal with security and keeping the paperwork straight.  
 
   Soon after 2005 the troops were beating NGA over the head with Google Earth and Congress took notice. However, NGA bureaucrats were close at hand and the angry troops are far away. Progress was still slow. But at least the troops had Google Earth. Unfortunately, so does the enemy. Nevertheless over the next decade the army was able to go directly to commercial satellite photo providers who, every year, were putting up more capable photo satellites. Many of the photos from these new satellites were higher resolution and not available on Google Earth. But the army could afford to buy them (as could other commercial customers) and give the troops instant access because all these commercial satellite photos were unclassified.  
 
   After a while NGA stopped pouting and got on board with the use of lots of unclassified satellite photos. This also spurred the NGA to make the high quality (high resolution and with other enhancements) spy satellite photos more easily available to the troops, or at least the army intel and planning specialists who worked out the details of how battles would be fought. This led to other intel agencies making their data (especially from electronic data collection satellites) available quickly (often in real time) to the troops who needed it.  
 
   While Google Earth opened the flood gates and gave the troops instant access, what happened first was the availability of high resolution satellite photos that could be of use to combat troops. This began in the 1960s with the first appearance of the KH (Key Hole) series of photo satellites. The first film camera satellite, KH 1, went up in 1959 but the first successful one was in 1960. Thus until the 1970s the film-using satellites supplied coverage of hostile nations. The KH 1 through 9 series satellites sent film back in canisters (for high resolution pictures), to be developed. The Keyhole 9, the first of which went up in 1971, was not only the last of the film satellites but the largest and most capable. Its basic design was used by the subsequent digital camera birds. The KH 9 could cover large areas at high (for the time) resolution of .6 meters (24 inches). This was more than adequate to spot and count tanks, aircraft, and even small warships. The 19th, and last, KH 9 went up in 1984. The KH-9 was a 13 ton satellite with multiple cameras and 4 or 5 reentry vehicles for returning the film for developing and analysis. The KH-9s were nicknamed Big Bird.  
 
   The age of film began to fade when the first digital satellite, the KH 11, was launched in 1976. These birds were large, nearly 15 tons, and the digital cameras could obtain better resolution and broadcast the photos back to earth. The resolution was such that objects 70mm (a few inches) in size could be identified from 200 kilometers. Digital cameras were more flexible than film and eventually surpassed film in all categories. The KH-11 telescopic cameras operated like a high resolution TV camera. Images were captured continuously and transmitted to earth stations. Computers were used to finish the process and produce photos identical to those taken by a conventional film camera. You could even have motion pictures, as well as indications of heat and the nature of the various items. KH-11 could often tell what kind of metal an object on the ground was made of.  
 
   All this did not come cheap. These birds cost over $400 million each and lasted three or four years, depending on fuel usage. Moreover, you needed two of them up at the same time in order to guarantee coverage and save the birds from having to change orbit too frequently. The most recent KH-11, the 15th, was launched in 2011. There have been at least four models of the KH-11, since the first of five "Block 1s" was launched in 1976. Since the 1960s over a hundred KH series satellites have been launched.  
 
   The next generation, the KH-12, was supposed to have been launched in 1987. But because of problems with the space shuttle (one had exploded during launch), only a belated KH-11 was launched in October, 1987. The KH-12 was delayed, even though it had several advantages over the KH-11. Along with improvements in ground data processing equipment, the KH-12 could send back data in real time. You could watch events on a large, high resolution screen as they were happening. This would also allow military headquarters and other users to get their satellite information directly, without going through a CIA or NRO (National Reconnaissance Office) processing center. Data from the more esoteric sensors would still have to be studied by the specialists elsewhere. The KH-12 was expected to make users even more enthusiastic about satellite reconnaissance. It did, in the form of a much upgraded KH-11. Actually these birds were called KH-12s but are still officially known as KH-11.  
 
   The flood of photographic and electronic data was growing far larger than the force of analysts needed to make something of it. In addition to the KH series birds, there were radar and SIGINT (Signal Intelligence) satellites constantly broadcasting data. Then there are the Defense Support Program satellites, which use heat sensors to locate the hot plumes of missile launches.  
 
   There still isn't a real KH-12 (a new design), and that's partly because commercial photo satellites have become cheaper and more convenient for military use. Many KH-12 features were simply added to subsequent KH-11 models. This was cheaper than building the new KH-12 design and involved less paperwork. Thus, those in charge of American space operations are asking that less money be spent on developing new satellites and more spent on building up a reserve of GPS and communications satellites that can quickly be launched to replace wartime losses. The Department of Defense has already been buying more commercial satellites, rather than much more expensive, usually late, and sometimes cancelled, custom designed military birds. Contributing to this change were bumbling bureaucrats who mismanaged development projects and journalists who headlined the failures.  
 
   In 2007 the Department of Defense agreed to spend $10 billion to build two military grade photo-satellites, similar to the ones already in orbit, plus two commercial grade photo satellites. This uncharacteristically prudent behavior was forced on them by Congress. The politicians were angry over the failure of the Department of Defense to design and build a new generation of military photo satellites. For example, in 2005 the U.S. cancelled the Future Imagery Architecture (FIA) system. This disaster cost the government more than $10 billion when a poorly conceived and run effort to create a more powerful new generation of intelligence satellites failed. Instead of FIA, the two existing military photo satellites were simply replaced with similar designs. In addition, the Pentagon bought two commercial photo satellites, for about $850 million each, to replace what the Department of Defense is currently spending on photos from commercial photo satellite companies. The two commercial birds, which were owned by the Department of Defense.  
 
   The FIA (Future Imagery Architecture) system was to be a new generation of smaller and more numerous spy satellites that would provide more coverage of targets down below and, because of the larger number of satellites, a more difficult target for anyone seeking to destroy the U.S. spy satellite capability. The KH series birds were to retire in 2005, replaced by FIA satellites. The project, begun in 1998, was poorly designed and managed. In retrospect, it was doomed from the start because of a lack of technical talent on the government side and the selection of the low bidder (Boeing) that lacked the experience and capabilities to carry out a job like this. When FIA was cancelled in 2005 work continued on individual new satellites. One of the FIA designs, the Topaz radar satellite managed to see two in orbit by the end of 2013. The KH birds are not going to retire by the end of the decade, having been extended by the continued use of the KH-12. This is not a new design but a much improved and upgraded KH-11. The KH-12 always existed as a nickname for the latest version of the KH-11.  
 
   It has long been suggested that the government just rely on commercial photo satellites for their low resolution (able to detect vehicles and buildings) photo satellite needs. But the military and intelligence agencies often need more photo satellite time than the commercial companies can provide. The government also wants to ensure secrets are kept by having complete control over a pair of commercial grade satellites.  
 
   The two new government owned commercial birds took over the task of tracking troop movements, bases, and military operations in general. The two new high resolution, military grade, spy satellites were improved versions of existing ones. These are used to get detailed (able to detect something smaller than an inch) photos of something the commercial grade images (able to detect something 30-45 cm/12-18 inches in size) found interesting.  
 
   The troops and military planners are also big users of Google Earth, which annoys the people running the military satellite program. But for many military satellite needs, Google Earth does the job. The two military, commercial grade, photo satellites eliminated the potential for information leaks (about what the military is buying images of) and provide much more capacity to do low resolution jobs.  
 
   The people who run the military satellite system are increasingly concerned with wartime needs, and that is what brought out the request for spare GPS and communications satellites. These are relatively cheap, compared to the spy satellites, and most needed if a future war spreads to the orbital zone and puts some American birds out of action. There is also growing concern about the debris in orbit and the increasing risk of satellites being damaged, or destroyed, by these small fragments of older satellites and the rockets that put them there.  
 
   Meanwhile, the KH-12 is fading away as the last of improved KH-11 was put into orbit in 2013.                    
Сказанное выше выражает личную точку зрения автора, основанную на открытых источниках информации

Прол

ЦитироватьLiss пишет:
Занятная статья
Да, действительно занятно. Существование КН-12 всегда вызывало много вопросов[IMG].
И еще:
ЦитироватьLiss пишет: 
The resolution was such that objects 70mm (a few inches) in size could be identified from 200 kilometers.
1976 г., однако.
ЦитироватьLiss пишет: 
The KH-11 telescopic cameras operated like a high resolution TV camera.
ЦитироватьLiss пишет: 
You could even have motion pictures
? всегда думал, что "Враг государства" - фантастика[IMG].
ЦитироватьLiss пишет: 
The flood of photographic and electronic data was growing far larger than the force of analysts needed to make something of it
А это реальная проблема. Поэтому США и остановили наращивание военной разведгруппировки и занялись халявой на дармовых (почти) для них гражданских КА[IMG].