Commercial Resupply Services 2 (CRS2)

[Sam Grey]

Антон пишет:
Из оставшихся кандидатов, в виду отсутствия пока заявки Дракона

Подождите. То, что Гвинн ничего не сказала по поводу CRS-2 находясь в Вашингтоне, еще не значит, что СпейсХ не участвует (да и с чего бы вдруг им не участвовать?).
На Насовском сайте по CRS-2 nasa.gov/crs2 Спейсы присутствуют в "interested parties list":

  http://prod.nais.nasa.gov/eps/eps_data/160022-OTHER-002-002.xlsx

(кстати, рекомендую просмотреть весь список, очень интересно, особенно BO, почему-то Кистлер (??) с имейлом от AOL , какие-то богом забытые Барриос и Драпер Лаб).

[Антон]

Sam Grey пишет:

Антон пишет:
Из оставшихся кандидатов, в виду отсутствия пока заявки Дракона

Подождите. То, что Гвинн ничего не сказала по поводу CRS-2 находясь в Вашингтоне, еще не значит, что СпейсХ не участвует (да и с чего бы вдруг им не участвовать?).
На Насовском сайте по CRS-2 nasa.gov/crs2 Спейсы присутствуют в "interested parties list":

 http://prod.nais.nasa.gov/eps/eps_data/160022-OTHER-002-002.xlsx

(кстати, рекомендую просмотреть весь список, очень интересно, особенно BO, почему-то Кистлер (??) с имейлом от AOL   , какие-то богом забытые Барриос и Драпер Лаб).

О, Кистлер все еще жив???

[Sam Grey]

Антон пишет:
О, Кистлер все еще жив???

Тот Кистлер был продан с молотка за 25 тысяч и всё оборудование было сдано на металлолом. Но Джордж Френч, основатель Кистлера, владеет тремя компаниями -  Rocketplane, Rocketplane Kistler and Rocketplane Global     От какой из них он решил выразить "заинтересованность" - непонятно.
Он до сих пор в интервью говорит что не всё потеряно, и что они в 2011 году даже наняли "главного летчика-испытателя".  


В принципе, по наличию в списке Локхида выводы можно было делать уже тогда, не дожидаясь пока они предъявят миру свой Excalibur. 


Интересно присутствие "Парагона" - это те чуваки, которым Марс-One заказал проработку концептуального дизайна своих дерзких замыслов. 


Далее - я для себя открыл компанию "САС", на сайте которой про нее сказано:

Launch Vehicle Development & Integration
SAS specializes in integration of Liquid Russian Propulsion systems (NK-33, NK-43, RD-180, RD-171, RD-0110, RD-0124, RD-    and U.S. developed systems (RL-10, RS-68A&B, Merlin and hypergolic engine systems).

SAS has experience in the development of every major launch system currently in development or production in the U.S., including foreign developed systems.  We offer this experience in support of our Nation's exploration program and critical national security missions.

Foreign Technology Assessment & Weapons Demilitarization
The SAS team maintains unique experience in understanding and working on former Soviet Union launch systems. The experienced team evaluates emerging aerospace technologies and capabilities.  SAS offers unique development perspectives on foreign designed civil and strategic systems.  SAS has supported weapons demilitarization in Russia and Ukraine.

SAS team members have performed software safety evaluation, reliability analysis, fishbone and FMEA/FMECA analysis on launch systems, spacecraft, and complex space experiment programs.  Our expertise is seen in the design, development, and manufacturing for our Government clients in hardware pedigree reviews and audits. SAS expertise in anomaly investigations, return to flight, and independent failure analysis."

[Salo]

https://twitter.com/TheLurioReport/status/598936485019037697

Charles A. Lurio
‏@TheLurioReport

Having been eliminated from CRS2 ISS cargo competition, Lockheed is trying "work some deal" with Boeing on their bid. From separate sources.

12:42 - 14 мая 2015 г.

[Salo]

https://twitter.com/pbdes/status/603923897088647168

Peter B. de Selding
‏@pbdes

Orbital CEO: 4 competitors left in Nasa's CRS-2 station-resupply competition, best/final bids seen due by late June, award likely late Sept.

7:00 - 28 мая 2015 г.

[Sam Grey]

Salo пишет:
https://twitter.com/pbdes/status/603923897088647168

Peter B. de Selding
‏@pbdes

Orbital CEO: 4 competitors left in Nasa's CRS-2 station-resupply competition, best/final bids seen due by late June, award likely late Sept.

7:00 - 28 мая 2015 г.

Что-то Дэйв Томпсон разошелся. Ему НАСА давала полномочия говорить, кто там остался, а кто нет? Это что вообще, его конкурс? 

[Apollo13]

Локхид отпал:

Industry official: Lockheed Martin no longer in Nasa CRS-2 station resupply competition, which is why Orbital referred to 4 bidders, not 5.

https://twitter.com/pbdes/status/603957211098980352

[Антон]

Apollo13 пишет:
Industry official: Lockheed Martin no longer in Nasa CRS-2 station resupply competition, which is why Orbital referred to 4 bidders, not 5.

жаль, очень интересный был проект с хорошими перспективами по дальнейшей модернизации.

[Димитър]

...and at least two contracts are expected to be awarded in June 2015.
Уже июнь 2015 ! 

[Sam Grey]

Димитър пишет:
...and at least two contracts are expected to be awarded in June 2015.
Уже июнь 2015 !

WASHINGTON — NASA has pushed back by three months a decision on a new series of contracts to transport cargo to and from the International Space Station, claiming it needs more time to review the proposals it received.
NASA posted a message April 16 on the procurement website for the Commercial Resupply Services (CRS) 2 contract stating that the estimated award date was now Sept. 16. The site had previously listed an award date of June. That message stated that the agency revised the date "due to additional time required to evaluate proposals."

[Димитър]

Подождем еще 3.5 месяца.  
А мне хочется Дрийм Чайзера в полет увидеть ...

[Salo]

Продлили старый контракт ещё на год до конца 2018 года:

http://www.spaceref.com/news/viewsr.html?pid=47359

NASA Solicitation: Commercial Resupply Services - SpaceX and Orbital

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• Status Report Source: Johnson Space Center
• Posted Friday, June 19, 2015
  

Synopsis - Jun 18, 2015   General Information       Solicitation Number: NNJ15ZBG003R     Posted Date: Jun 18, 2015     FedBizOpps Posted Date: Jun 18, 2015     Recovery and Reinvestment Act Action: No     Original Response Date: Jun 22, 2015     Current Response Date: Jun 22, 2015     Classification Code: 18 -- Space vehicles     NAICS Code: 541712   Contracting Office Address   NASA/Lyndon B. Johnson Space Center, Houston Texas, 77058-3696, Mail Code: BG   Description   NASA/JSC intends to extend the existing Commercial Resupply Services (CRS) contracts NNJ09GA02B, with Orbital Sciences Corporation, hereinafter referred to as Orbital, and NNJ09GA04B, with Space Exploration Technologies, hereinafter referred to as SpaceX for up to 12 months from December 2017 to December 2018 at no cost. Both contracts were awarded in December 2008 and have a not to exceed (NTE) contract value of 3.1B each.   NASA/JSC has a requirement to perform all tasks necessary to ensure safe and reliable cargo integration and transportation to and from the International Space Station (ISS). With the extension of ISS to 2024, NASA intends to procure follow-on Commercial Resupply Services (CRS2) through the life of the program through full and open competition. The extension of the existing CRS contracts allows possible new providers the opportunity to address the readiness requirements necessary to show ISS integration capability before cargo services are required.   The Standard Resupply Mission may consist of pressurized upmass delivery, unpressurized upmass delivery, cargo disposal, or cargo return. Cargo includes both NASA-owned cargo and NASA-sponsored cargo and both pressurized and unpressurized payloads. The supplies to be delivered by terms of the contract include air, water, food, clothing, medicine, spare parts, and scientific experiments for use in the U.S. and International Partner experimental modules. The place of performance and launch site is identified in each task order.   Both providers are needed to provide these services to reduce the risk to the Agency. Two viable providers are needed to guarantee assured cargo access to the ISS in the event one contractor fails to successfully deliver cargo. An interruption of contract performance would jeopardize the timely delivery of critical cargo.   The statutory authority for proceeding with this acquisition under Other Than Full and Open Competition is 10 U.S.C. 2304(c)(1) as contemplated by the provision of FAR 6.302-1(a)(2)(iii), which states that full and open competition need not be provided when the services required by the Agency may be deemed to be available from one original source, in the case of a follow-on contract, for the continued provision of highly specialized services. The provision also states that this exception is applicable when it is likely that award to any other source would result in unacceptable delays in fulfilling the Agencys requirements and substantial duplication of cost to the Government that is not expected to be recovered through competition would be incurred. Both contracts will be extended under this authority.   Orbital and SpaceX were required to prove that their vehicles could successfully integrate with the ISS to deliver cargo. This seminal milestone took place under Commercial Orbital Transportation System (COTS) agreements. Demonstrating successful ISS integration is essential to limiting NASAs risk of damage occurring to valuable cargo and/or damage being done to the ISS itself. Orbital demonstrated successful ISS integration in June 2013 and SpaceX demonstrated successful ISS integration in April 2012. Hence, any party that is interested must have demonstrated successful ISS integration upon submission of any response. SpaceX and Orbital are the only U.S. commercial providers who have demonstrated this capability to date.   The Government intends to acquire a commercial item using FAR Part 12. Interested organizations may submit their capabilities and qualifications to perform the effort in writing to the identified point of contact not later than 12:00 p.m. local time on June 22, 2015. Such capabilities/qualifications will be evaluated solely for the purpose of determining whether or not to conduct this procurement on a competitive basis. A determination by the Government not to compete this proposed effort on a full and open competition basis, based upon responses to this notice, is solely within the discretion of the government.   Oral communications are not acceptable in response to this notice.   All responsible sources may submit an offer which shall be considered by the agency.  

NASA Clause 1852.215-84, Ombudsman, is applicable. The Center Ombudsman for this acquisition can be found at http://prod.nais.nasa.gov/pub/pub_library/Omb.html .   Point of Contact       Name: Aneesah K. Vaughn     Title: Contracting Officer     Phone: 281-244-5329     Fax: 281-244-2370     Email: aneesah.k.vaughn@nasa.gov       Name: Adrian D. Clayton     Title: Contracting Officer     Phone: 281-483-8498     Fax: 281-244-3370     Email: adrian.d.clayton@nasa.gov

[Александр Ч.]

NASA ‏@NASA  5 мин.5 минут назад

Docking adapter for future @Commercial_Crew craft launches today on #Dragon: http://go.nasa.gov/1ID5HHm  #LaunchAmerica

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[Антон]

Как-то неудачно SpaceX и Orbital перед конкурсом оплошали то

[Димитър]

16 сентября НАСА объявит победителей?

[triage]

Димитър пишет:
16 сентября НАСА объявит победителей?

http://spaceflightnow.com/2015/08/18/orbital-atk-receivers-orders-for-two-more-iss-cargo-flights/
Orbital ATK receives orders for two more ISS cargo flights
Posted on August 18, 2015 by Stephen Clark
...NASA originally expected to award new CRS-2 contracts in May, but the winners are now scheduled to be announced Nov. 5, according to a post on the agency's website. That is two months later than the previously expected announcement date in September
In the update on its website, NASA said officials needed more time to review revisions to the CRS-2 proposals.
....

http://spacenews.com/nasa-orders-two-more-iss-cargo-missions-from-orbital-atk/
NASA Orders Two More ISS Cargo Missions From Orbital ATK
by Dan Leone — August 17, 2015
....
The additional orders coincident with another delay for the awarding of follow-on CRS contracts. Orbital ATK, SpaceX, Boeing, Lockheed Martin and Sierra Nevada Corp. all bid for CRS-2 work and now will all wait until at least November for NASA to make an award.

ссылка на сайт НАСА - http://procurement.jsc.nasa.gov/crs2/ там в подвале

от Lockheed Martin http://www.lockheedmartin.com/us/ssc/crs2.html  хотя выше пишут что они вышли

[Искандер]

А я хочу птичку!
На месте NASA я бы Sierra Nevada поддержал. Обидно что такой задел может пропасть. Для грузо/пассажирского челнока на НОО самая правильная конструкция, да еще и со складывающимися крылышками. Разве что чуть недоразмеренная.

[Антон]

Хочу птичку от СН и паром от локхида!!!

[Александр Ч.]

Антон пишет:
и паром от локхида!!!

А вот фигвам и прочим любителям кубиков     
Пересказ на русском:

В НАСА отвергли проект доставки орбитальных грузов от Lockheed Martin как слишком сложный и дорогой

Проект космического буксировщика

НАСА отвергло проект Lockheed Martin, участвовавший в конкурсе на контракт Commercial Resupply Services 2 (CRS-2) — доставка грузов на МКС.

Сумма контракта составляет $14 миллиарда и рассчитан на работу с 2018 по 2024 годы. По слухам, новый контракт разделили между собою Boeing, Sierra Nevada Corporation, SpaceX и Orbital ATK (наследник Orbital Sciences).

Предыдущий контракт стоимостью $6,2 миллиарда, и действующий до 2017 года, поделили две компании, Orbital Sciences и SpaceX. В прошлый раз Lockheed точно так же подавала свою заявку и тоже была отвергнута.

Причина, судя по всему, кроется в чрезмерно сложном и дорогом подходе к решению сравнительно простой задачи. Lockheed предлагала решение из трёх частей: космический корабль многоразового использования Jupiter, контейнер для грузов Exoliner и роботизированный манипулятор для работы в космосе. Jupiter, несущий на себе Exoliner, запускают на орбиту, после чего Jupiter при помощи роборуки передаёт контейнер на МКС.

Целью Lockheed, предлагавшей нестандартный проект, было получение финансирования от НАСА для разработки корабля многоразового использования и космического буксировщика. Предполагалось, что после полётов Jupiter останется на орбите и станет выполнять другую работу – например, чинить или сталкивать с орбиты вышедшие из строя спутники. Но по какой-то причине космическое агентство предпочло отдать контракт тем, кто выполнит работу проще и дешевле.

Правда, по стоимости контракта тоже есть вопросы. Суть заключения контрактов со сторонними фирмами заключается в том, чтобы сэкономить бюджетные деньги, отдав проект на выполнение той компании, которая сделает это дешевле. В рамках программы планируется в течение семи лет доставить на орбиту порядка 20 тонн груза. Это примерно 280000 фунтов. При этом НАСА рекламировало доставку грузов на орбиту «по $10000 за фунт». Нехитрый подсчёт говорит, что в этом случае стоимость семилетней программы должна была бы составить $2,8 миллиарда – но не $14.

Orbital Sciences Corporation (OSC) — американская компания, специализирующаяся на производстве космических аппаратов и ракет-носителей. Компания активно участвует в предоставлении международных пусковых услуг. В прошлом году была подписана сделка между OSC и российским НПО «Энергомаш» на покупку 60-и российских ракетных двигателей на сумму $1 миллиард.

[triage]

лучше почитать источники
http://geektimes.ru/post/263976/  сссылаясь на http://www.fool.com/investing а они в свою очередь http://www.denverpost.com/, а они с The Wall Street Journal
нигде не пишут о официальных словах NASA о проигрыше проекта, да и уже хоронили намного ранее..... непонятно почему сейчас проект всплыл, когда до объявлении результатов или переноса осталось несколько месяцев

http://www.wsj.com/articles/lockheed-martin-eliminated-from-nasas-cargo-competition-1443725840
Lockheed Martin Eliminated From NASA's Cargo Competition
By ANDY PASZTOR
Upd ated Oct. 1, 2015 3:06 p.m. ET
NASA has quietly eliminated Lockheed Martin Corp. from a pending multibillion-dollar competition to ship cargo to the international space station, according to people familiar with the matter.

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The decision, which hasn't been disclosed publicly, poses a setback to Lockheed's plans to accelerate development of enhanced space-exploration capabilities.

Company officials had hoped a NASA contract would provide technical steppingstones—and a financial boost—for preliminary work on robotic vehicles, reusable space tugs and in-orbit refueling capabilities that will be needed for manned and unmanned missions deep into the solar system.

Such technologies are expected to take decades to become operational.

The National Aeronautics and Space Administration made its decision this past summer, according to the people familiar with the matter, and since then it has been a topic of discussion in industry circles. NASA made the call largely on the basis of price, according to one of these people.

Officials from NASA and the aerospace giant declined to comment on the status of Lockheed's bid.

A company spokeswoman reiterated that its bid sketched out an "affordable, high-capacity space station resupply" option featuring a path forward "through technologies that will power future human deep-space missions."

Industry officials said Lockheed is expected to continue pursuing many of those same long-term goals, though probably at a slower pace, while it seeks to snare other federal dollars or related commercial business.

Slated to be announced in early November, NASA's coming awards will be the next phase of cargo-delivery contracts currently totaling as much as $6.2 billion that the agency issued years ago to Elon Musk's Space Exploration Technologies Corp. and a predecessor company to Orbital ATK Inc.

Both of those companies remain in the running for additional commercial cargo awards, along with Boeing Co. and Sierra Nevada Corp.

NASA may decide to issue multiple contracts totaling a maximum of $14 billion, with launches scheduled to start in 2018.

The agency has said it may someday need contractors to transport more than 20 tons of cargo annually.

Picking the winners has been postponed three times since the fall of 2014, while NASA officials weighed price and reliability issues.

Both SpaceX and Orbital ATK are rebounding from high-profile, unmanned launch failures that se t back deliveries of essential supplies, experiments and other material to the orbiting international laboratory.

Lockheed and its team of Canadian and European partners submitted a proposal to NASA late last year that was substantially more complex and technically challenging than rival offers from the two incumbents, which have operated rockets and capsules essentially designed to serve as bare-bones space resupply systems.

Lockheed has said its ultimate goals include creating durable habitats for astronauts or even space tourists; in-orbit servicing vehicles equipped with robotic arms; and autonomous spacecraft intended to remain in use for long periods and able to carry out a variety of missions.

Such advances also could entail pre-positioning supplies of food, water, fuel and ultimately, parts that could be assembled to create a spacecraft in zero gravity.

At a conference in Pasadena, Calif., in August, a high-ranking Lockheed Martin space official stressed the long-term implications of such ambitious technologies.

Of the capabilities under development, the one most likely to be adopted first is using a special-purpose vehicle, or automated space tug, to keep aging satellites in their proper orbits after their fuel is depleted.

"We're now on the threshold," said David Markham, vice president of advanced programs for the company's space systems unit.

Write to Andy Pasztor at andy.pasztor@wsj.com

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http://www.denverpost.com/business/ci_28908355/lockheed-martin-quietly-eliminated-from-nasa-iss-cargo
Lockheed Martin quietly eliminated from NASA ISS cargo competition
Contract award would have brought engineering, production, testing, and mission operations work to Colorado
By Laura Keeney
The Denver Post
POSTED:   10/01/2015  (1 октября 2015)

This rendering depicts Lockheed Martin's Jupiter spacecraft and Exoliner cargo carrier connected to the International Space Station. (Steve Hartman)

Littleton-based Lockheed Martin Space Systems has been quietly eliminated from NASA's multibillion-dollar competition to ferry cargo to and from the International Space Station.

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The decision, which wasn't disclosed publicly, nixes the company's bid for a piece of the $14 billion Commercial Resupply Services-2 contract, people familiar with the matter told The Wall Street Journal.

Lockheed Martin submitted its CRS-2 bid design in March: a three-part system consisting of the Jupiter reusable spacecraft, Exoliner cargo container and a long robotic arm inspired by a similar appendage on the space shuttle.

The contract would have directly impacted Colorado. Engineering, production and testing would have been done in Littleton, company spokeswoman Allison Rakes said in March.

About 5,500 people work at Lockheed Martin Space Systems, making it Jefferson County's largest employer, according to data from the county's Economic Development Corporation.

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Engineers at the Waterton Canyon facility would also have led mission operations for the Jupiter spacecraft, Rakes said.

NASA made its decision on Lockheed Martin's bid over the summer, people familiar with the matter told The Wall Street Journal. Since then, it has been a topic of discussion in industry circles. One of these people said NASA made the call largely on the basis of price.

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Picking the contract winners, which NASA is expected to award in November, has been postponed three times since last fall while officials weighed price and reliability issues. NASA might issue multiple CRS-2 awards for a maximum of $14 billion.

The CRS-2 contracts, which run from 2018 to 2024, are the next phase of the cargo-delivery contracts totaling as much as $6 billion that NASA issued years ago to Space Exploration Technologies Corp. and Orbital Sciences, the predecessor company to Orbital ATK Inc.

Both Orbital ATK and SpaceX remain in the running for the latest commercial cargo awards. Both companies operate rockets and capsules designed to serve as bare-bones space-resupply systems.

Lockheed Martin's bid proposal was more complex and technically challenging.

Also in the running are Boeing Co. and Louisville-based Sierra Nevada Space Systems, with its folding-wing reusable spaceship design called the Dream Chaser Cargo System.

The CRS-2 award would have given Lockheed Martin the technical steppingstones and financial boost to accelerate development of the Jupiter and Exoliner, with the eventual goal being a spacecraft and cargo container for enhanced use.

In other words, the company wants to create durable habitats for astronauts, in-orbit servicing vehicles and pre-positioned interstellar mini-marts that provide fuel, equipment, food and, ultimately, parts that could be assembled to build a spacecraft in zero gravity.

Rakes said Thursday that the company's proposal was designed to be forward-thinking and advance humanity's reach into space while also serving the space station's needs.

"We feel that our proposal offers value today through affordable, high-capacity space station resupply, and a path forward for tomorrow through technologies that will power future human deep-space missions," Rakes said. "Those missions will need crew habitats, servicing vehicles and autonomous in-space robotic operations. Our CRS-2 solution is designed to lay the groundwork for all of those important capabilities."

Such technologies are expected to take decades to become operational. Of the capabilities under development, the one most likely to be adopted first is a space tug to keep aging satellites in their proper orbits after their fuel is depleted.

At a conference in Pasadena, Calif., in August, a high-ranking Lockheed Martin space official stressed the long-term implications of such ambitious technologies.

"We're now on the threshold," said David Markham, vice president of advanced programs for the company's space systems unit.

Industry officials said Lockheed Martin is expected to continue pursuing many of its long-term goals, though probably at a slower pace, while it seeks other federal dollars or related commercial business.

NASA has said it might need contractors to eventually transport more than 20 tons of cargo annually. A NASA spokeswoman Thursday said the agency is in "procurement blackout" and could not comment on the bid or on Lockheed Martin's elimination.

Dow Jones Newswires contributed to this report.

Laura Keeney: 303-954-1337, lkeeney@denverpost.com or @LauraKeeney

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