Ракеты Джеффа Безоса: New Glenn (НьюГленн) и New Armstrong

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Salo

Цитировать  Jeff Foust‏ @jeff_foust  7 ч.7 часов назад
Bezos: I love ESA's Moon Village concept. Sensible to be colocated. #ISDC2018
 
   Jeff Foust‏ @jeff_foust  7 ч.7 часов назад  
Bezos: I'm a big fan of administration's policy to return to the Moon. Need to do that before we can go to Mars. #ISDC2018
 
   Jeff Foust‏ @jeff_foust  7 ч.7 часов назад  
Bezos: we've bought the ship that will serve as landing pad for New Glenn first stage. Start refitting it soon. #ISDC2018
 
   Jeff Foust‏ @jeff_foust  7 ч.7 часов назад  
Bezos: rockets, by the way, like to be big. #ISDC2018
 
   Jeff Foust‏ @jeff_foust  7 ч.7 часов назад
Bezos: key to lowering the cost of access to space is reusability. Start with booster stage, be able to fly it 100 times, demonstrate "operable" reusability. #ISDC2018
 
   Jeff Foust‏ @jeff_foust  7 ч.7 часов назад
Bezos, on lowering the cost of space access: this is not something we choose to do, it's something we must do. #ISDC2018
 
   Jeff Foust‏ @jeff_foust  7 ч.7 часов назад  
Jeff Bezos announces at #ISDC2018 that Amazon is saving "The Expanse"; will be a Prime original next season. #SaveTheExpanse
 
   Jeff Foust‏ @jeff_foust  10 ч.10 часов назад
Jeff Bezos hanging out with #ISDC2018 attendees prior to tonight's dinner. Some people have a message for him.
 
 
"Были когда-то и мы рысаками!!!"

Seerndv

ЦитироватьApollo13 пишет:
ЦитироватьJeff Foust ‏ @jeff_foust May 22

Ariane Cornell, Blue Origin: key for us in the next few months is continued BE-4 engine testing. Up to 70% thrust, 114-sec duration. #SpaceTechExpo

- да-а ... кода ж 100% thrust приключится и full duration?
Свободу слова Старому !!!
Но намордник не снимать и поводок укоротить!
Все могло быть еще  хуже (С)


Дмитрий В.

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ЦитироватьJeff Foust ‏ @jeff_foust May 22

Ariane Cornell, Blue Origin: key for us in the next few months is continued BE-4 engine testing. Up to 70% thrust, 114-sec duration. #SpaceTechExpo

- да-а ... кода ж 100% thrust приключится и full duration?
Да, в принципе, и так семимильными шагами отрабатывает. По современным меркам.
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StarShip - аналоговнет!

Сергей

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ЦитироватьJeff Foust ‏ @jeff_foust May 22

Ariane Cornell, Blue Origin: key for us in the next few months is continued BE-4 engine testing. Up to 70% thrust, 114-sec duration. #SpaceTechExpo

- да-а ... кода ж 100% thrust приключится и full duration?
Да, в принципе, и так семимильными шагами отрабатывает. По современным меркам.
               
                  
Достигнутый уровень по тяге - без малого номинальная тяга Раптора, которого еще нет. Что касается времени работы при ОСИ - сейчас нет никакой необходимости ставить рекорды по длительности. Время должно быть достаточным, чтобы прогнать все интересующие режимы работы в запланированном диапазоне давлений и нащупать критические. Дальше обычные процедуры - разборка, дефектация, анализ, доработка - если нужна - очередное ОСИ. И чем выше давление, тем больше проблем. Процесс трудоемкий и длительный, так что , как и пишет Дмитрий В. , семимильными шагами.

triage

Хоть выше уважаемый Salo приводил
Цитировать http://spacenews.com/bezos-outlines-vision-of-blue-origins-lunar-future/
by Jeff Foust — May 29, 2018
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Bezos offered few near-term updates about Blue Origin's plans, including progress on the New Glenn vehicle. He did date that the company had acquired the ship that will serve as the landing pad for the first stage of the rocket, and that refitting of the ship for that role would soon begin. He provided no updates on the BE-4 engine being developed for New Glenn and also in competition to be the first stage engine for United Launch Alliance's Vulcan rocket.
He said the company had yet to set a ticket price for its New Shepard suborbital vehicle, but that he expected to fly the vehicle frequently, building up experience on the BE-3 engine that will also be used on the upper stage of New Glenn. "It's going to be the most reliable liquid hydrogen engine in the world," he said of the BE-3.
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Корабль для посадки первой ступени куплен... Ох что нас ждет, а то посадки F9 приелись.

Apollo13

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-space-blueorigin/bezos-throws-cash-engineers-at-rocket-program-as-space-race-accelerates-idUSKBN1KO0HN


ЦитироватьBezos throws cash, engineers at rocket program as space race accelerates

Eric M. Johnson

SEATTLE (Reuters) - Amazon.com founder Jeff Bezos is racing to pull his private space company out of start-up mode and move into production amid signals that his firm's heavy rocket set for lift-off in 2020 may slip behind schedule, according to people familiar with the project.

Blue Origin has added hundreds of engineers over the past three years and continues to ramp up in an expansion that one employee described as "hyperbolic." The Kent, Washington-based company is looking to double its current workforce to around 3,000 employees over the next two to three years, a top customer told Reuters.
The urgency centers on a rocket dubbed New Glenn. The heavy-launch vehicle, which Bezos promises will be able to haul satellites and, eventually, people into orbit, is central to the company's hopes of winning lucrative military and commercial contracts.
New Glenn's first-stage booster will be reusable, a key piece of Bezos' strategy to lower costs and increase the frequency of launches. Blue Origin executives have stated publicly that test flights will begin within two years.
But whether Blue Origin can hit that mark remains to be seen.
With the clock ticking on 2020, company engineers are still finalizing details on New Glenn's design and just beginning to build model components that must be put through extreme testing, people familiar with the project said. They requested anonymity because they are not authorized to speak publicly.

Blue Origin has privately acknowledged in conversations with French satellite firm Eutelsat SA [ETLXCE.UL] - its first New Glenn customer - that its 2020 time frame is "very aggressive," a person with direct knowledge of talks between the companies said.
The firms have padded their contract, which covers the launch of a geostationary satellite in the period 2021-2022, so that Blue Origin will incur no penalties if it is late, the person added.
Yohann Leroy, Eutelsat's Deputy Chief Executive Officer, declined to discuss details of his company's contract with Blue Origin, but said he was optimistic New Glenn will be ready to carry his firm's satellite by the end of 2022.
"Of course, I cannot guarantee that they will respect their initial timeline, but we are confident that they will not be very far from it," Leroy said.
A Blue Origin spokeswoman did not respond to requests for comment about the company's hiring practices, strategy or competitive challenges. The private firm has been tight-lipped on New Glenn's production status and plans for bringing it to market.
Mounting a successful test in 2020 would give Blue Origin its best shot at fending off competing rockets and new ones expected to enter the market in the next few years, analysts said.
Rivals include aerospace stalwarts United Launch Alliance, a partnership between Boeing Co and Lockheed Martin; and France's ArianeGroup, a joint venture between Airbus and Safran. Japan and China are likewise designing reusable rockets.

But 18 years after its founding, Blue Origin has found itself lagging a competitor closer to home: SpaceX.
Founded by Tesla Inc Chief Executive Elon Musk, the Hawthorne, California-based company has upended the space industry with its relatively low-cost reusable Falcon 9 rockets. SpaceX has completed more than 50 successful Falcon launches and snagged billions of dollars' worth of contracts, including deals with NASA and the U.S. Department of Defense.
SpaceX in February transfixed a global audience with the successful test launch of its newest rocket, the Falcon Heavy, the most powerful operational rocket in the world.
Musk had predicted "game over" for other makers of heavy rockets if his launch succeeded.
The good news for Blue Origin is that demand for satellite launch services is projected to soar.
Around 800 small satellites are expected to launch annually beginning around 2020, more than double the annual average over the past decade, according to Marco Caceres, senior space analyst with Fairfax, Virginia-based Teal Group.
"If New Glenn can be ready in the next two years (Blue Origin) may be able to seize that window of opportunity," he said.

ROCKET SCIENCE
Like Musk, Bezos is passionate about the prospect of humans living and working in space.
Now the world's richest man, thanks to the success of online retailer Amazon, Bezos has been liquidating $1 billion of its stock annually to fund his interplanetary dreams.
He set up Blue Origin in a warehouse some 20 miles (32 km) south of Seattle. The company's Latin motto means "step by step ferociously," a reference to Bezos' belief that success comes through steady, incremental progress.
But after nearly two decades, and with the private space race heating up, Bezos is intent on moving closer to commercialization, three Blue Origin employees told Reuters.
Part of those efforts include selling sightseeing trips to the edge of space aboard another Blue Origin rocket dubbed the New Shepard, with ticket prices in the $200,000-$300,000 range.
Blue Origin also is vying to supply its BE-4 engine to United Launch Alliance to power its forthcoming Vulcan rocket, ULA said.

The recent hiring binge has focused mainly on throwing talent at the New Glenn, and has included more than 60 engineers who worked previously for SpaceX.
Blue Origin's workforce of more than 1,500 has more than doubled from its early 2016 levels, three employees said. Its ranks are expected to double again by the time New Glenn is flying, Eutelsat's Leroy said. By comparison, SpaceX has more than 6,000 employees.
Bezos' company has also invested more than $200 million in a rocket-making facility near NASA's Kennedy Space Center in Florida.
Still, Leroy said he expects to see a New Glenn prototype no sooner than mid-2019.
In the meantime, NASA, the U.S. Air Force and satellite companies are directing business to SpaceX.
Matt Desch, Chief Executive Officer of McLean, Virginia-based Iridium Communications Inc, SpaceX's largest commercial customer, told Reuters that Blue Origin "has been a little less clear" about its strategy.
"Nobody disputes that with the investment they're making they won't eventually be successful, but how and when they become reliable is still uncertain," Desch said.


Apollo13

https://www.reddit.com/r/BlueOrigin/comments/9be7j4/sneak_peek_of_blue_origins_new_fabrication/

ЦитироватьIngersoll making big-scale spacecraft components with new Mongoose machine
By: Eric Wilson 
Posted: Jul 19, 2018 06:26 PM CDT

Updated: Aug 02, 2018 08:55 AM CDT

ROCKFORD - A Rockford company's latest product is massive, and that matches the size of the project the machine will be a part of.

"Jeff Bezos, the richest person in the world, is personally following this project," boasted Tino Oldani, President and CEO of Ingersoll Machine Tools.

Bezos, the founder of Amazon, has a passion for space, which is why he created a company called Blue Origin, and Ingersoll is one of the company's partners.

"Once again, we are the first in Rockford to step into a new era, with a new product in what is going to be the future of manufacturing for space vehicles," Oldani said.

The new product is something called "Mongoose", a 5-story behemoth, the largest fiber replacement machine in the world.

Ingersoll also made the previous record-holder. The machines manufacture composite parts for the aerospace industry.

Composites are made up of fibers - often carbon - bonded with resin or epoxy. New aircraft designs, like Boeing's 787, use composites instead of aluminum. 

Ingersoll is responsible for a lot of that.

"Our machines, our technology, our processes, are making 70% of the carbon fiber fuselage," Oldani said.

The new frontier is space travel, and that's Mongoose's mission. Blue Origin will use the machine to make big spacecraft components, like cryogenic tanks and fairings.

Oldani says the space partnership isn't just good for him, his company, and his employees: it's good for Rockford.

Many local businesses made the Mongoose project possible.

"This is extremely important because we will continue to bring this message to other areas," Oldani said. "And, Ingersoll will continue to be a Rockford company and we'll continue to be a successful company in the manufacturing area, pulling together as well as all the other sub contractors that we have around the area, because that is extremely important. And that is, for us, probably the best, most positive aspect of this adventure."

Oldani says workforce is key for staying successful, and Ingersoll has openings right now in a wide range of positions.
Возможно New Glenn будет иметь композитные баки.

Искандер

ЦитироватьApollo13 пишет:
Возможно New Glenn будет иметь композитные баки.
И он туда же... 
Всё Ок, но о возможности возвращения второй ступени лучше бы подумать сразу на этапе проектирования.
Aures habent et non audient, oculos habent et non videbunt

tnt22

ЦитироватьJeff Foust‏ @jeff_foust 3 ч. назад

Bob Smith of Blue Origin, during launch panel at #WSBW, says the company is "well on the path to get humans into space early next year" on the New Shepard suborbital vehicle. Also making good progress on BE-4 engine.

tnt22

ЦитироватьChris B - NSF‏ @NASASpaceflight 7 мин. назад

ARTICLE:
Building on New Shepard, Blue Origin to pump a billion dollars into New Glenn readiness -

https://www.nasaspaceflight.com/2018/09/new-shepard-blue-origin-billion-new-glenn/ ...

- by Thomas Burghardt (@TGMetsFan98) - his debut article for NSF. (Includes renders by @kogavfx)

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tnt22

ЦитироватьThomas Burghardt‏ @TGMetsFan98 6 мин. назад

According to this website: https://www.niferry.co.uk/stena-confirm-the-sale-of-stena-carrier-and-stena-freighter-to-unknown-buyers/ ..., @blueorigin has acquired "Stena Freighter." It would seem this is the ship they will modify to use for #NewGlenn landings!

My article on how this fits into Blue Origin's near future plans:

https://www.nasaspaceflight.com/2018/09/new-shepard-blue-origin-billion-new-glenn/ ...


tnt22

ЦитироватьBlue Origin BE-4 Engine Compilation

Blue Origin

Опубликовано: 27 сент. 2018 г.

The BE-4 is our fourth-generation liquid rocket engine, made to take us into orbit and beyond.

The BE-4 uses oxygen-rich staged combustion of liquid oxygen and liquefied natural gas to produce 550,000 lbs. of thrust. Liquefied natural gas is commercially available, affordable, and highly efficient for spaceflight. Unlike other rocket fuels, such as kerosene, liquefied natural gas can be used to pressurize a rocket's propellant tanks. This is called autogenous pressurization and eliminates the need for costly and complex pressurization systems, like helium. Liquefied natural gas also leaves no soot byproducts as kerosene does, simplifying engine reuse.

United Launch Alliance has selected Blue Origin's BE-4 as the engine that will power the Vulcan rocket's first stage. The announcement ends the need for the Russian made RD-180 on their next-generation vehicle Vulcan with the American-made BE-4.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nyn2gOimRfMhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nyn2gOimRfM (0:56)

Сергей

Интересно, до какой величины земной тяги удастся Безосу довести ВЕ-4. Насчет проектного значения - 245 тс есть сомнения. А хотелось бы посмотреть на движок с земной тягой более 210 тс на горшок.

Чебурашка

ЦитироватьСергей пишет:
Интересно, до какой величины земной тяги удастся Безосу довести ВЕ-4. Насчет проектного значения - 245 тс есть сомнения. А хотелось бы посмотреть на движок с земной тягой более 210 тс на горшок.
RS-68A чем не устраивает?

Сергей

ЦитироватьЧебурашка пишет:
ЦитироватьСергей пишет:
Интересно, до какой величины земной тяги удастся Безосу довести ВЕ-4. Насчет проектного значения - 245 тс есть сомнения. А хотелось бы посмотреть на движок с земной тягой более 210 тс на горшок.
RS-68A чем не устраивает?
Уточняю, я имею ввиду пару метан(СПГ)+кислород, на керосине никто вроде не собирается делать движок с земной тягой более 210 тс на горшок. Что касается пары водород+кислород, там как то сумели пойти дальше, подавив ВЧ-колебания, возможно сказалось соотношение компонентов. ИМХО.

Чебурашка

#976
Официальный User Guide опубликовали для РН New Glenn

Короче,

LEO - 45 000 кг

GTO-1800 -  13 600 кг

Летать собираются чисто в две ступени, как и Флакон.

https://forum.nasaspaceflight.com/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=41146.0;attach=1528480;sess=0

Размерность выбрана, очевидно, с рассчётом на парный запуск двух 6-тонных спутников.

tnt22

ЦитироватьChris B - NSF‏ @NASASpaceflight 12:00 - 28 нояб. 2018 г.

ARTICLE:

Blue Origin publishes New Glenn overview as pad and landing ship continue development -

https://www.nasaspaceflight.com/2018/11/blue-origin-new-glenn-overview-pad-landing-ship-dev/ ...

This vehicle excites me! ("But all rockets excite you Chris!" ) True....but this is another cool one.

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tnt22

ЦитироватьNew Glenn: The Road to Space

Blue Origin

Опубликовано: 16 янв. 2019 г.

Debuting from Launch Complex 36 at Cape Canaveral, Florida in 2021, New Glenn will serve commercial, civil and national security customers from around the world. Featuring a 7 meter fairing with more than 2X the available volume of any rocket flying today and twin BE-3U engines powering the most capable upper stage in the market, New Glenn can launch the full range of satellite payloads. Seven reusable BE-4 engines generating 3.85 million pounds of thrust power the first stage designed to launch 25 times and land safely down range on a moving ship. New Glenn is beginning to take shape at our state-of-the-art rocket factory. Visit us at www.blueorigin.com to learn more.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LSftIaLhQzEhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LSftIaLhQzE (1:52)

tnt22

ЦитироватьNew Shepard Flight History: Missions 1-9

Blue Origin

Опубликовано: 16 янв. 2019 г.

The more we fly the better we get. Safety and reliability are paramount. Our rigorous test program with New Shepard is putting the vehicle through the paces. We have successfully completed several crew capsule escape tests showing that our astronauts will be safe in any phase of flight. In addition to our test program, our payloads program is driving more flights of the system as we iterate on operations and technology in preparation for human spaceflight. All the learnings from the New Shepard program are being flowed into New Glenn development as we scale up our capabilities to serve the orbital market.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=89gBER7l2t0https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=89gBER7l2t0 (2:12)