SpaceX Falcon Heavy

[Boris Mekler]

LRV_75 пишет:
боковые захваты для боковушек добавятся, а боковые захваты (замки) для центрального блока уберут (для конфигурации F9 будут вертать обратно). Так что вроде 6 в итоге для FH

Двойка по арифметике. По три захвата на каждую боковушку + два захвата для центра = восемь захватов.

[LRV_75]

Boris Mekler пишет:

LRV_75 пишет:
боковые захваты для боковушек добавятся, а боковые захваты (замки) для центрального блока уберут (для конфигурации F9 будут вертать обратно). Так что вроде 6 в итоге для FH

Двойка по арифметике. По три захвата на каждую боковушку + два захвата для центра = восемь захватов.

Да, согласен ))

[tnt22]

Jeff Foust‏ @jeff_foust 32 мин. назад

Shotwell: a few more launches for SpaceX this year including "hopefully, knock on wood" first Falcon Heavy. #NewSpaceEurope

[Чебурашка]

knock on wood

tnt22 пишет:
knock on wood

Бгг... оказывается, у них тоже такая идиома есть

[SGS_67]

FarEcho пишет:

SGS_67 пишет:
...Но задача удержания всё равно довольно сложная. Теперь ветру противостоит не узкий круглый карандаш, а плоскость...

Знаменитый "страшный ветер" время от времени оживляющий дискуссии о Фальконах на нашем форуме  

Скажите, а Вы вот можете посчитать, во сколько раз увеличится опрокидывающий момент связки FH от поперечной в плане к ней составляющей ветра?
По сравнению с единичной колбасой F9, с набалдашником?

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По моим прикидкам, от 7 до 10 раз.
А фиксирующих элементов стало лишь в 3 раза больше.
И это, я думаю, будет весьма существенным ограничивающим фактором на условия запуска Хэви.

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[SGS_67]

Дмитрий В. пишет:

SGS_67 пишет: 
Я прослушивал его "в фоне", но там были совсем другие числа.
 
Маск говорил о достижимости 30-40 млн/пуск BFR при условии 50 возвращаемых пусков в год, емнип.
Что уже само по себе представляется нереальным.
Меньше 10 млн/пуск может быть достигнуто при 1000-кратном запуске полностью возвращаемой ракеты.
Т.е., это просто шутка.

Там есть слайд сравнения стоимости пуска РН (слева-направо по нарастанию стоимости). БФР - крайний слева, перед Ф-1.

Жаль, что я только слушал, а не смотрел.
Вопщем, подобным прожектам не следовало бы уделять столь много внимания, как это иногда случается в действительности.

Реально - у СпейсИкс в плане матчасти есть сейчас Falcon-1 и Falcon-9 block 4+. И это всё.



До серийной многоразовости, блока-5 и Хэви им еще придётся сильно подрасти.


Ну, а BFR - пока фантастика, которую следовало бы воспринимать с известной долей юмора.

[SGS_67]

Boris Mekler пишет: По три захвата на каждую боковушку + два захвата для центра = восемь захватов.

Торцевых захватов как-то не узрел.
Ткните носом, пожалуйста.

ЗЫ. Основную роль, в любом случае, играют боковые 6.

ЗЗЫ. Торцевые захваты нашёл на моделях; отбой, всем спасибо.

[Georgea]

SGS_67 пишет:
ЗЫ. Основную роль, в любом случае, играют боковые 6.

Один "карандаш" - два боковых захвата. Три в пакете - шесть боковых захватов.
Вроде всё сходится.

[Boris Mekler]

Georgea пишет:

SGS_67 пишет:
ЗЫ. Основную роль, в любом случае, играют боковые 6.

Один "карандаш" - два боковых захвата. Три в пакете - шесть боковых захватов.
Вроде, всё ходится.

Ну блин...

https://www.nasaspaceflight.com/2017/11/spacex-aims-december-launch-falcon-heavy/

Шестая картинка:

https://www.nasaspaceflight.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/11/Screen-Shot-2017-11-01-at-12.50.14-350x236.png

[Georgea]

Boris Mekler пишет:
Ну блин...

Это я с точки зрения "страшного бокового ветра"   

[Apollo13]

http://spacenews.com/spacex-aims-to-follow-a-banner-year-with-an-even-faster-2018-launch-cadence/

The Falcon Heavy will also use Block 5 cores, she said, with the exception of the first mission.
Shotwell said SpaceX is in the process of gaining Air Force certification for the Block 5 and for the Falcon Heavy. That process requires three flights before carrying an EELV payload, which SpaceX will do, though Shotwell added that the company will be able to compete for EELV missions with Falcon Heavy before completing those required flights. She declined to confirm the Falcon Heavy's inaugural launch date, saying only that SpaceX is aiming for December, though it could slip to January.

[Чебурашка]

А когда Маска и его бабу вокруг Луны отправят? Во втором или третьем пуске? 

[Apollo13]

Чебурашка пишет:
А когда Маска и его бабу вокруг Луны отправят? Во втором или третьем пуске?  

Так вот почему от него жены и подруги бегут. Знают что их ждёт!

[Зловредный]

Ничего. Он найдёт себе такую же.

[tnt22]

https://spaceflightnow.com/2017/11/28/debut-of-spacexs-falcon-heavy-rocket-now-planned-in-january/

Debut of SpaceX's Falcon Heavy rocket now planned early next year
November 28, 2017 Stephen Clark


Artist's illustration of SpaceX's Falcon Heavy rocket in flight. Credit: SpaceX

SpaceX's first Falcon Heavy rocket is expected to roll out to pad 39A at NASA's Kennedy Space Center for the first time next month for a hold-down firing of its 27 Merlin main engines, but the mega-rocket's inaugural test launch will slip into January, officials confirmed Tuesday.

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The commercial space company, led by billionaire Elon Musk, held out hope of launching the first Falcon Heavy test flight before the end of December until recently. The delay to early 2018 was first reported Tuesday by Aviation Week and Space Technology, and SpaceX confirmed the schedule slip to Spaceflight Now.

Gwynne Shotwell, SpaceX's president and chief operating officer, told Aviation Week that the launch will follow the Falcon Heavy's static fire, which is set to occur in December, by a few weeks.

SpaceX is poised to move launches of its single-core Falcon 9 rockets to pad 40 at neighboring Cape Canaveral Air Force Station, beginning with a Dec. 8 flight to send cargo to the International Space Station, freeing up pad 39A for final upgrades and outfitting to support the Falcon Heavy.

Workers at pad 39A this week are reconfiguring the base of SpaceX's mobile strongback transporter and erector tower for the Falcon Heavy, which is made of three modified Falcon 9 first stage boosters arranged in a side-by-side configuration.

Cranes and work platforms were visible near the base of the strongback structure in the last few days. The tower was laying horizontal at pad 39A after SpaceX removed a Falcon 9 rocket fr om the strongback following an indefinite postponement of a launch that was planned for mid-November with the U.S. government's top secret Zuma payload.

Once the Falcon Heavy's triple-body core and second stage are assembled inside SpaceX's hangar, the transporter will roll into the integration building and cranes will hoist the rocket onto the strongback. The rocket will roll out to pad 39A for a fueling demonstration and at least one static fire test — depending on the test's outcome and results — before SpaceX gives the "go" for a launch attempt.

The static fire will mark the first time SpaceX has fired 27 Merlin 1D engines at once. A test stand big enough to support such a hold-down firing does not exist at the company's rocket test complex in McGregor, Texas, wh ere each of the three booster cores has been fired individually.

Musk has tried to set expectations low for the Falcon Heavy's maiden flight.

"Falcon Heavy requires the simultaneous ignition of 27 orbit-class engines," Musk said in July. "There's a lot that can go wrong there.

"I encourage people to come down to the Cape to see the first Falcon Heavy mission," he added, hinting at the riskiness of the first test launch. "It's guaranteed to be exciting."

The 27 Merlin 1D engines will generate more than 5.1 million pounds of thrust at full power, about two-thirds the thrust produced by the space shuttle at liftoff, and more than any other present-day rocket.

"This is one of those things that's really difficult to test on the ground," Musk said. "We can fire the engines on the ground, and we can try to simulate the dynamics of having 27 instead of nine booster engines, and the airflow as it goes through transonic (as it exceeds the speed of sound). It's going to see heavy transonic buffet. How does it behave at Max-Q (maximum dynamic pressure)?

A single Merlin engine on the Falcon Heavy's second stage will finish the climb into orbit.

"There's a lot of risk associated with Falcon Heavy, a real good chance that that vehicle does not make it to orbit," Musk said, referring to the first test launch. "I want to make sure to set expectations accordingly. I hope it makes it far enough beyond the pad so that it does not cause pad damage. I would consider even that a win, to be honest."

SpaceX has not announced the specific orbital destination for the Falcon Heavy test flight, but the demo mission will not carry a customer payload.

First announced in 2011 with a target launch date in 2013, the Falcon Heavy's development took much longer than Musk originally predicted.

"At first it sounds real easy, you just stick two first stages on as strap-on boosters, but then everything changes," Musk said in a question-and-answer session earlier this year. "All the loads change, aerodynamics totally change. You've tripled the vibration and acoustics. You sort of break the qualification levels on so much of the hardware."

The side boosters on the inaugural Falcon Heavy flight are refitted Falcon 9 first stages recovered on previous SpaceX launches. Ground crews added aerodynamic nose cones to the boosters and installed forward and aft attach points to connect to the newly-manufactured center stage, which sports structural enhancements to accommodate the extra stress of a Falcon Heavy launch.

"The amount of load you're putting through that center core is crazy because you've got two super-powerful boosters also shoving that center core, so we had to redesign the whole center core airframe," Musk said. "It's not like the Falcon 9 because it's got to take so much load. Then you've got separation systems."

After completing their firings, the side boosters will shut down and jettison from the core stage, flip around and thrust back toward landing pads at Cape Canaveral, descending back to Florida's Space Coast in formation for nearly simultaneous touchdowns.

The center stage will throttle up and burn its nine engines longer, heading for landing on SpaceX's offshore recovery platform in the Atlantic Ocean while the second stage fires into orbit.

The Falcon Heavy will weigh more than 3.1 million pounds (1.4 million kilograms) fully loaded with kerosene and liquid oxygen propellants and stand more than 229 feet (70 meters) tall.

"The nice thing is when you fully optimize it, it's about two-and-a-half times the payload capability of a Falcon 9," Musk said. "It's well over 100,000 pounds to LEO (low Earth orbit) of payload capability, 50 tons. It can even get up a little higher than that if optimized."

The availability of pad 40 for SpaceX's upcoming Falcon 9 launches clears the way for crews at pad 39A to focus on the Falcon Heavy. A rocket explosion damaged pad 40 last year, forcing SpaceX to base its Florida launch operations at KSC's former space shuttle pad until repairs were completed.

Falcon Heavy launches and Falcon 9 flights carrying astronauts for NASA will take off from pad 39A, while pad 40 will host most commercial missions. But having both pads gives SpaceX officials flexibility in launch planning.

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[tnt22]

Elon Musk‏Подлинная учетная запись @elonmusk 9 мин. назад

Falcon Heavy to launch next month from Apollo 11 pad at the Cape. Will have double thrust of next largest rocket. Guaranteed to be exciting, one way or another.

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Elon Musk‏Подлинная учетная запись @elonmusk 6 мин. назад

Payload will be my midnight cherry Tesla Roadster playing Space Oddity. Destination is Mars orbit. Will be in deep space for a billion years or so if it doesn't blow up on ascent.

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[Евгений Кравченко]

Да, делааа...
Представляю, как сейчас по всем СМИ эта новость полетит
Маск - титан креативного пиара

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Elon Musk ‏Подлинная учетная запись @ elonmusk 9 мин. назад

Payload will be my midnight cherry Tesla Roadster playing Space Oddity. Destination is Mars orbit. Will be in deep space for a billion years or so if it doesn't blow up on ascent.

Надо в качестве ответного хода горбатого запорожца вывести, играющего "Дубинушку". Пущай вместе летают.  

[Евгений Кравченко]

Надо в качестве ответного хода горбатого запорожца вывести

... на орбиту Венеры

[Astro Cat]

Че всякую ерунду в космос запускать? Лучше бы что-нибудь полезное, но недорогое.

Интересно про Марс он пошутил или действительно туда мусор запулит?