Новые проекты пилотируемых экспедиций на Марс

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удалено

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А подскажите как фраза переводится: к или во время 2030 годов?

http://edition.cnn.com/2016/10/11/opinions/america-will-take-giant-leap-to-mars-barack-obama/index.html
We have set a clear goal vital to the next chapter of America's story in space: sending humans to Mars by the 2030s and returning them safely to Earth, with the ultimate ambition to one day remain there for an extended time. Getting to Mars will require continued cooperation between government and private innovators, and we're already well on our way. Within the next two years, private companies will for the first time send astronauts to the International Space Station.

А то смотря на


Может Обама намекает на предложения коммерческих компаний и Маска?
И не говорит про "Journey to Mars" @NASA?

https://www.nasa.gov/content/journey-to-mars-overview
NASA is on a journey to Mars, with a goal of sending humans to the Red Planet in the 2030s. That journey is already well under way.

Статьи по поводу слов Обамы

http://www.nytimes.com/2016/10/12/science/president-obama-nasa-mars.html?_r=0
Can the U.S. Really Get Astronauts to Mars by 2030?
By KENNETH CHANG and DANIEL VICTOR OCT. 11, 2016

http://www.latimes.com/business/la-fi-obama-mars-20161011-snap-story.html
Getting humans to Mars will require NASA and private companies to team up, Obama says
By Samantha Masunaga and Jim Puzzanghera
OCT. 11, 2016

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pnetmon пишет:
А подскажите как фраза переводится: к или во время 2030 годов?

http://edition.cnn.com/2016/10/11/opinions/america-will-take-giant-leap-to-mars-barack-obama/index.html
We have set a clear goal vital to the next chapter of America's story in space: s ending humans to Mars by the 2030s and returning them safely to Earth , with the ultimate ambition to one day remain there for an extended time. Getting to Mars will require continued cooperation between government and private innovators, and we're already well on our way. Within the next two years, private companies will for the first time send astronauts to the International Space Station.

by может принимать оба значения:

во временном значении указывает на приближение к какому-л. сроку или ограничение каким-л. сроком
1) к
by two o'clock - к двум часам

by the end of the year - к концу года

by then - к тому времени

he ought to be here by now - (теперь) он должен был уже быть здесь

by the time that ... - к тому времени, когда ...

2) в течение
by day - днём

by night - ночью

http://dic.academic.ru/dic.nsf/eng_rus_apresyan/13489/by

В данном случае скорее второй вариант поскольку 2030-е во множественном числе (2030s).

[G_old_Truman]

К 2039 году, вопчем

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в сентябре Лотхиды показали рисунок

https://twitter.com/Helodriver2004/status/781296452890988548
#IAC2016 crowd teased with new sexy winged pointy tail sitting lander as Mars Base Camp future upgrade. LM promises more details later.

Сейчас

 https://twitter.com/NASA_Orion/status/840970646473584641
12 мар. 2017
Want to go to Mars? Visit #SXSW panel with @NASA and @LockheedMartin to find out how! Today at 5pm. http://schedule.sxsw.com/2017/events/PP61036 ...

А где-то про этот концепт писали?

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Tony Antonelli, бывший пилот шаттла, который сейчас работает на Lockheed Martin, предлагает уже в 2028 году отправить к Марсу людей, без высадки на поверхность.



Симметричный КА включает жилой и лабораторный модули с присоединенными к ним капсулами Орионов. 6 астронавтов могли бы отправиться в 2028 году в 3-х-летнюю экспедицию с выходом на орбиту Марса. Концепция предполагает использование уже имеющихся или находящихся в разработке систем.

Для финансирования проекта нужно, чтобы NASA в 2024 году прекратила заниматься МКС и перенаправила несколько миллиардов долларов в год на Марс.

FLORIDA TODAY

[Nilk]

А где-то про этот концепт писали?

Такую дуру с крыльями к Марсу тащить - ИМХО бред.

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 http://boeing.mediaroom.com/2017-04-03-Boeing-Unveils-Deep-Space-Concepts-for-Moon-and-Mars-Exploration


Boeing Deep Space Gateway


Boeing Deep Space Transit Vehicle on Approach

COLORADO SPRINGS, Colo., Apr. 3, 2017 – Boeing [NYSE: BA] today unveiled concepts for the deep space gateway and transport systems that could help achieve NASA's goal of having robust human space exploration from the Moon to Mars.

NASA's Space Launch System, which Boeing is helping develop, would deliver the habitat to cislunar space near the Moon. Known as the Deep Space Gateway, the habitat could support critical research and help open opportunities for global government or commercial partnerships in deep space, including lunar missions. It would be powered by a Solar Electric Propulsion (SEP) system.

"The ability to simultaneously launch humans and cargo on SLS would allow us to assemble the gateway in four launches in the early 2020s," said Pete McGrath, director of global sales and marketing for Boeing's space exploration division.

The Deep Space Gateway could be the waypoint for Mars missions. Utilizing a docking system akin to what the International Space Station uses for commercial operations, it could host the Deep Space Transport vehicle, which would take humans to Mars. Once near Mars, crews could deploy a lander for surface missions or conduct other scientific and robotic missions in orbit.

The transport vehicle would be equipped with a habitat specifically designed to protect passengers from deep space's harsh environment and its own robust SEP bus.

In fact, both of Boeing's concepts leverage proven solar electric propulsion technology and hardware design from the 702 satellite family.

The gateway and transport systems are partially being developed as part of NASA's Next Space Technologies for Exploration Technologies (Next Step) program and an ongoing High Power SEP technology development effort within the NASA Space Technology Mission Directorate (STMD).

For more information on Defense, Space & Security, visit www.boeing.com. Follow us on Twitter: @BoeingDefense.

На русском - текстовка разная
 https://nplus1.ru/news/2017/04/04/boeing
 https://lenta.ru/news/2017/04/04/boeing/

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Timothy Cichan (Lockheed Martin, Space Exploration Technology Architect) представляет локхидмартиновский концепт марсианской экспедиции. Начало на 10:57.

https://livestream.com/viewnow/HumansToMars2017/videos/155974408

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pnetmon пишет:
А подскажите как фраза переводится: к или во время 2030 годов?

Правильный перевод никогда)))

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Еще рисунок от LM

 https://twitter.com/bevvscott/status/912652215336165376
16:16 - 26 сент. 2017 г.
Lockheed Martin's Mars Base Camp plan: base in orbit, with landers flying short (~10 days) sorties to various locations on surface #IAC2017

За компанию

 https://twitter.com/bevvscott/status/912654240358658049
Cool Martian Ice Miner rover presented by Thierry de Roche: old-school, Voyager-style RTG planned so heat can bake water from soil. #IAC2017

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заглянул к соседям
 https://forum.nasaspaceflight.com/index.php?topic=40324.200
 
LM's Mars Lander (MBC-2)

 https://forum.nasaspaceflight.com/index.php?topic=40324.140

Большая дискуссия а чем отличает от SpaceX   https://www.reddit.com/r/spacex/comments/718xwq/lockheed_martin_lander_meant_to_compete_with/
Figured I'd at least try to give this its own post, as this speculation doesn't directly pertain to the new ITS architecture, and I can't find a better place to post this.
So according to an announcement on the IAC website Lockheed Martin plans to unveil a new Mars lander on the final day of the IAC, described as a "reusable, single stage aero-spacecraft based on already-flown vehicles." To me this sounds pretty similar to SpaceX's ITS, and the resemblance may be confirmed by these two images. Given the reusability aspect, and efforts to find commercial/international partnerships to improve the funding situation, I'm wondering if this is meant to be a serious and direct competitor to SpaceX's ITS, especially as Musk prepares to announce what we assume is going to be a more economical precursor. Thoughts?

 
LockheedMartinVideos
Published on Sep 26, 2017
At no other time in history have we had the technology, the know-how, and the public enthusiasm to get humans to Mars. Orion is NASA's spaceship that will take humans into deep space, but it needs to be a part of a larger system to go to Mars. Lockheed Martin's concept is called Mars Base Camp and it's our idea of how to send humanity's first crewed mission to Mars in about a decade. The Mars Base Camp orbiting outpost could give scientists/astronauts the ability to operate rovers and drones on the surface in real time – helping us better understand the Red Planet and answer fundamental questions: Where did we come from? Where are we going? Are we alone?

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было?
Власти ОАЭ выделили средства на 3D-печать экспериментальной «марсианской» колонии возле Абу-Даби

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 http://www.lockheedmartin.com/content/dam/lockheed/data/space/photo/mbc/MBC_Updates_IAC_2017.pdf
 https://web.archive.org/web/20170929053546/http://www.lockheedmartin.com/content/dam/lockheed/data/space/photo/mbc/MBC_Updates_IAC_2017.pdf

MARS BASE CAMP UPDATES AND NEW CONCEPTS
68th International Astronautical Congress (IAC), Adelaide, Australia, 25-29 September 2017.

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Презентация https://players.brightcove.net/5483960636001/B1l6owAlYZ_default/index.html?videoId=5592519786001 длительностью 45 минут

 http://spacenews.com/lockheed-martin-adds-lander-to-mars-base-camp-concept/
Lockheed Martin adds lander to Mars Base Camp concept
by Jeff Foust — September 28, 2017
Lockheed Martin's proposed reusable Mars lander, a new element to its Mars Base Camp architecture. Credit: Lockheed Martin

ADELAIDE, Australia — Lockheed Martin released an update to its Mars mission architecture Sept. 29, adding a reusable lander capable of making multiple trips between Mars orbit and the surface.

The company presented an updated version of the Mars Base Camp concept during a talk at the 68th International Astronautical Congress here, arguing that the proposal fit into growing interest in operations in cislunar space as well, including landings on the surface of the moon.

The original architecture, which the company unveiled last year, called for the development of a modular spacecraft that could carry six people into Mars orbit and back. Lockheed believed that the system, which made use of the Orion spacecraft and other elements, could be ready to send people to Mars as soon as 2028.

The company has now added to the system a lander, launched separately fr om the base camp spacecraft, that could transport crews fr om the Mars Base Camp spacecraft in orbit to the Martian surface.

The single-stage lander uses aerodynamics to reduce most of its velocity while descending to the surface. That can be done, the company said, using materials similar to that used on the high-speed SR-71 jet that are not ablative and do not require to be replaced after each mission.

Liquid oxygen/liquid hydrogen engines handle the rest of the landing as well as takeoff back to Martian orbit. The vehicle weighs 30 metric tons dry and can carry 80 metric tons of propellant, with a total delta-v, or change in velocity, of 6 kilometers per second from its engines.

"You can fuel up in orbit and have enough for a two- or three-week stay on the surface with up to four crew," said Rob Chambers, one of the Mars Base Camp designers, in an interview at the conference prior to the presentation. The lander could be then refueled and flown again, he said, with up to three trips to the surface per mission to Mars. He said the lander is intended to support at least six sorties to the Martian surface over its life.

This concept can be extended to the moon as well. "Do we, the human race, want to start landing on the moon again?" he said. "Let's do the best we can not to create something that's a point solution for the moon but think about what it will allow us to do for Mars as well."

The same lander could be used for lunar landings, even if it retains the aerodynamic shape not needed for lunar landings. "It certainly lends itself to being used on the moon as well," Chambers said, either to test it for Mars mission or for standalone lunar uses. Future work is planned to remove those aerodynamic elements from the lander to increase its payload capacity for lunar missions.

One advantage the lander would have on the moon is that, by using its onboard cryogenic propellants to produce power, it can operate in even permanently shadowed regions of lunar craters wh ere solar power is not feasible. "With the zero-boiloff-powered fuel system, the lander is extremely happy in the darkest craters on the lunar surface," said Danielle Richey, advanced programs exploration architect at Lockheed Martin.

Lockheed Martin also used the talk to emphasize the development of a "water-based economy" in space wh ere water is extracted from the moon or asteroids for use as propellant or other applications in Earth orbit and beyond.

The development of that water-based economy was one reason the company sel ected liquid hydrogen and not methane for the lander's propulsion system, along with the overall efficiency of that propellant combination.

"The high efficiency is really important. It enables things like the lander," said Tim Cichan, space exploration architect at Lockheed Martin, in the presentation. "We've also been working with hydrogen upper stages for a long time with the Atlas Centaur all the way back to the '60s, so we know how to do those types of systems."

Cichan said later that the water that would be converted to liquid hydrogen and liquid hydrogen could be delivered to Mars orbit in any number of ways, ranging from direct transport from the Earth to extraction fr om asteroids. "As long as the water shows up, and it can be turned into propellant, we're happy."

The overall Mars Base Camp proposal also fits into concepts under study by NASA for a Deep Space Gateway in cislunar space that serves as a testbed for future Mars missions. Chambers said that the interest in the gateway concept, along with language in a NASA authorization bill signed into law earlier this year that calls for a report on a human Mars mission by 2033, have shown to the company that the Mars Base Camp concept is viable.

"The Moon has always been the gateway to get to Mars," he said. "The big focus is to make sure we don't lose sight of Mars as we start to work the details of the moon."

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Прекрасно!  Маск обещает доставить людей на Марс в 2024 году, Локхийд - в 2028. 
Теперь ждем, когда НАСА объявит конкурс на доставку людей и грузов на поверхности Марса.  

[Старый]

А почему Госкосмос ничего не обещает? Непорядок..

[m-s Gelezniak]

Старый пишет:
А почему Госкосмос ничего не обещает? Непорядок..

А он посещаемую станцию у Муны собирается строить на стотонниках...

[andr59]

Не хочу кидать в Локхид камней, но чувствуется, что их презентация - чистой воды обязаловка. У Маска - энтузиазм и концепция развития, создание универсального ракетоносителя и корабля, у Локхида - как можно пристроить SLS друзей из НАСА  :|

У Маска - все поставлено на СпейсХ, если не считать Теслу, Boring Company и еще кой чего по мелочи, Локхид завален военными заказами и разрабатываемый корабль для него дело факультативное.

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m-s Gelezniak пишет:

Старый пишет:
А почему Госкосмос ничего не обещает? Непорядок..

А он посещаемую станцию у Муны собирается строить на стотонниках...

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