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James DeanVerified account‏@flatoday_jdean 3 minutes ago

ASAP's Frost: SpaceX has agreed to fly seven Block 5 Falcon 9s before flying crew, in response to concerns about constantly changing config.
 
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che wi пишет:
ASAP's Frost: SpaceX has agreed to fly seven Block 5 Falcon 9s before flying crew, in response to concerns about constantly changing config.
Особенно смешно это выглядит на фоне желания в первом же пуске SLS отправить людей вокруг Луны   :D
Изменено: Чебурашка - 24.02.2017 11:48:38
 
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Чебурашка пишет:
Особенно смешно это выглядит на фоне желания в первом же пуске SLS отправить людей вокруг Луны  :D
Ага - во первых - первым пуском новой ракеты, во вторых - в конфигурации, которая, ЕМНИП никогда не будет использована после...
И мы пошли за так, на четвертак, за ради бога
В обход и напролом и просто пылью по лучу...
 
Железная логика : отправлять людей на луну в первом же пуске SLS можно, тк она еще ни разу не взрывалась в отличии от Флакона
 
Ну с Шаттлами это сработало)
 
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Max Andriyahov пишет:
Ну с Шаттлами это сработало)
С Шаттлами просто не было других вариантов - так уж коряво его сделали... Не зря же первый экипаж Колумбии был минимальный...
И мы пошли за так, на четвертак, за ради бога
В обход и напролом и просто пылью по лучу...
 
https://www.nasaspaceflight.com/2017/02/commercial-rotation-us-segment-crew-increase-early/
"Были когда-то и мы рысаками!!!"
 
Компания SpaceX в 2018 году намерена отправить в недельный полет вокруг Луны двоих космических туристов. Об этом сообщил основатель компании Илон Маск.
Посадка на поверхность Луны в экспедиции не предусмотрена.
Полет будет совершен на корабле Dragon 2 (Crew Dragon) с помощью тяжелой ракеты-носителя Falcon Heavy. https://meduza.io/news/2017/02/28/spacex-anonsiroval-polet-kosmicheskih-turistov-k-lune-v-2018-godu
Смело. Я бы сказал - до наглости...
И мы пошли за так, на четвертак, за ради бога
В обход и напролом и просто пылью по лучу...
 
http://www.spacex.com/news/2017/02/27/spacex-send-privately-crewed-dragon-spacecraft-beyond-moon-next-year
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February 27, 2017
SpaceX to Send Privately Crewed Dragon Spacecraft Beyond the Moon Next Year

We are excited to announce that SpaceX has been approached to fly two private citizens on a trip around the moon late next year. They have already paid a significant deposit to do a moon mission. Like the Apollo astronauts before them, these individuals will travel into space carrying the hopes and dreams of all humankind, driven by the universal human spirit of exploration. We expect to conduct health and fitness tests, as well as begin initial training later this year. Other flight teams have also expressed strong interest and we expect more to follow. Additional information will be released about the flight teams, contingent upon their approval and confirmation of the health and fitness test results.
Most importantly, we would like to thank NASA, without whom this would not be possible. NASA’s Commercial Crew Program, which provided most of the funding for Dragon 2 development, is a key enabler for this mission. In addition, this will make use of the Falcon Heavy rocket, which was developed with internal SpaceX funding. Falcon Heavy is due to launch its first test flight this summer and, once successful, will be the most powerful vehicle to reach orbit after the Saturn V moon rocket. At 5 million pounds of liftoff thrust, Falcon Heavy is two-thirds the thrust of Saturn V and more than double the thrust of the next largest launch vehicle currently flying.
Later this year, as part of NASA’s Commercial Crew Program, we will launch our Crew Dragon (Dragon Version 2) spacecraft to the International Space Station. This first demonstration mission will be in automatic mode, without people on board. A subsequent mission with crew is expected to fly in the second quarter of 2018. SpaceX is currently contracted to perform an average of four Dragon 2 missions to the ISS per year, three carrying cargo and one carrying crew. By also flying privately crewed missions, which NASA has encouraged, long-term costs to the government decline and more flight reliability history is gained, benefiting both government and private missions.
Once operational Crew Dragon missions are underway for NASA, SpaceX will launch the private mission on a journey to circumnavigate the moon and return to Earth. Lift-off will be from Kennedy Space Center’s historic Pad 39A near Cape Canaveral – the same launch pad used by the Apollo program for its lunar missions. This presents an opportunity for humans to return to deep space for the first time in 45 years and they will travel faster and further into the Solar System than any before them.
Designed from the beginning to carry humans, the Dragon spacecraft already has a long flight heritage. These missions will build upon that heritage, extending it to deep space mission operations, an important milestone as we work towards our ultimate goal of transporting humans to Mars.
"Были когда-то и мы рысаками!!!"
 
Смертники. На них отрабатывать будут все подряд. Потому как про тестовые полеты Драгона на высокие орбиты ни словечка. А там извиняюсь абсолютно все другое. И радиаия и тепловой режим и возвращение.

И за своибабки поедут же. Хотя возможно Денис Тито подбросит чуток - как отработку неудавшегося Марсианского облета и репетицию венерианско-марсианского тура.
Изменено: garg - 28.02.2017 00:50:21
Вы хотите жопы - вам ее будет.
А мы хотим 8 цвет.
 
А мощщей хватит? Разгонного блока-то нет. Они только на ДУ Дракона облетать будут?
 
На хевике -хватит. Он К марсу 13,6 разогнать может, а там надо 3,6 км/с, здесь же 3,1 достаточно.
Вы хотите жопы - вам ее будет.
А мы хотим 8 цвет.
 
А вот интересно, какой кипишь поднимется в РКК Энергия? Любимую фишку из под жопы выдергивают на ходу.
Вы хотите жопы - вам ее будет.
А мы хотим 8 цвет.
 
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Rudel пишет:
А мощщей хватит? Разгонного блока-то нет.
Ну, на высокую ГПО мощи хватает спутники выводить... Ну сделают 3 включения ступени вместо двух... Им ведь на лунную орбиту выходить не надо - всего лишь облететь Луну и вернуться к Земле... Вот как они тормозить будут с такой траектории - это интересно, да...
И мы пошли за так, на четвертак, за ради бога
В обход и напролом и просто пылью по лучу...
 
Не знаешь, где и обсуждать... Тут и Дракон-2, и Хеви, и СпейсЭкс в целом.
 
https://twitter.com/elonmusk

 
http://spacenews.com/spacex-announces-plan-for-circumlunar-human-mission/?utm_content=buffercd4d9&utm_medium=social&utm_source=twitter­.com&utm_campaign=buffer
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SpaceX announces plan for circumlunar human mission
by Jeff Foust — February 27, 2017
 
SpaceX is proposing launching a Dragon 2 spacecraft with two people on board for a circumlunar flight in late 2018. Credit: SpaceX  
 
WASHINGTON — SpaceX Chief Executive Elon Musk announced Feb. 27 that the company is pursuing plans to launch two people on a Dragon spacecraft around the moon in late 2018.
In a call with reporters, Musk announced that SpaceX had been approached by two private individuals to fly on a Dragon 2 spacecraft, launched on a Falcon Heavy rocket, to fly around the moon and back in the fourth quarter of 2018.
“I think this should be a really exciting mission that gets the world really excited about sending people into deep space again,” Musk said. “I think it should be super inspirational.”
In the mission concept, a Dragon 2 spacecraft — a version of the Dragon spacecraft being developed for NASA’s commercial crew program, also known as Crew Dragon — would launch on a Falcon Heavy rocket from Florida and fly a “free return” trajectory past the moon and out to a distance as far as 640,000 kilometers from the Earth, before returning. The entire mission would take about a week.
Musk declined to identify the two individuals who has signed up, beyond the fact that the two know each other. “They’ve not given us permission to release their names yet,” he said, saying more information about the customers would be available in the coming months.
He also declined to specify the cost of the mission, although the private customers have provided some money already. “They have placed a significant deposit,” he said. Musk later indicated that the cost of the mission would be, on a per-person basis, similar or slightly more that a mission to the International Space Station. NASA currently pays a little more than $80 million per Soyuz seat for an ISS mission, although SpaceX and fellow commercial crew company Boeing have promised lower prices for their spacecraft.
The mission would come after SpaceX demonstrates the Dragon 2 spacecraft capabilities with test flights to the ISS. An uncrewed test flight is planned for late this year, followed by a crewed flight in May 2018. Falcon Heavy, he added, is on track for its debut launch this summer.

A SpaceX artist’s concept of a Dragon capsule equipped with a service module for a crewed flight around the moon in 2018. Credit: SpaceX

The mission, Musk said, would require few modifications to either the Falcon Heavy or the Dragon 2. The biggest change, he said, would be in the communications system in the Dragon 2 to permit deep space communications between the spacecraft and Earth.
News of the planned mission comes less than two weeks after NASA announced that it was studying flying crew on the first launch of the Space Launch System and Orion spacecraft, a mission previously planned to fly without a crew. That mission, like SpaceX’s plan, would involve a lunar free-return flight lasting about a week.
Musk didn’t indicate that SpaceX’s plan was motivated in any way by NASA’s study. “We’re generally encouraging of anything advances the course of space exploration,” he said. “The SLS/Orion mission would be exciting, as well.”
On more than one occasion during the call, which lasted less than half an hour, Musk suggested that NASA could take priority over the private customers on this mission. “NASA always has the right, always has first priority,” he said. “So if NASA decides to have the first mission of this nature be a NASA mission, then of course NASA would take priority. NASA is our first priority in missions like this.”
Musk acknowledged in the call that such a mission, which would be the first human spaceflight beyond Earth orbit since Apollo 17 in December 1972, carries some degree of risk. “They’re certainly not naïve,” he said of the people signed up for the flight. “We’ll do everything that we can to minimize that risk, but it’s not zero.”
If SpaceX can keep to that schedule — not a given based on the unprecedented nature of this mission and SpaceX’s reputation for schedule slips — this flight would cap off a year that would also feature the beginning of crewed transports to the ISS and an accelerated rate of overall missions. “Next year is going to be the big year for carrying people, to the space station and hopefully beyond,” he said.
"Были когда-то и мы рысаками!!!"
 
http://spaceflightnow.com/2017/02/27/spacex-to-send-two-private-citizens-around-the-moon-and-back/
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SpaceX to send two private citizens around the moon and back
February 27, 2017 Stephen Clark

Credit: NASA

SpaceX founder and chief executive Elon Musk announced Monday plans to send two paying “private individuals” on a week-long flight around the moon and back to Earth by the end of next year.
Musk said the would-be space tourists approached SpaceX to fly on a mission beyond the moon, launching aboard the company’s Falcon Heavy rocket from pad 39A at NASA’s Kennedy Space Center in Florida and returning to Earth approximately a week later.
“They’re very serious about it,” Musk said, declining to identify the passengers in a conference call with reporters Monday afternoon.
The two-person crew will be trained for emergencies, but the Dragon spaceship carrying them will fly on autopilot, loop around the far side of the moon on a “free-return” trajectory, then speed back to Earth. Musk said SpaceX aims to launch the circumlunar flight in the fourth quarter of 2018.
“I think they are entering into this with their eyes open, knowing that there is some risk here,” Musk said. “They’re certainly not naive. We’ll do everything we can to minimize that risk, but it’s not zero.”
He declined to say how much the space tourists will pay, but SpaceX said it has already received a “significant deposit” for the moon mission.
“They do know each other,” Musk told reporters. “I don’t want to comment too much on their background, but they certainly will have extensive training before going on the mission, and I also can’t say the exact amount (they will pay). That’s confidential, but it would be comparable to a little more than what the cost of a crewed mission to the space station would be.”
The tourists will ride inside SpaceX’s Dragon 2 capsule, or “Crew Dragon,” in development under a contract with NASA to ferry astronauts to and from the International Space Station. The spaceship is scheduled to launch on its first uncrewed test flight to the station in November, followed around six months later with a demonstration mission to the outpost with two NASA astronauts on-board.
The spacecraft is a major upgrade from the cargo-carrying version of Dragon currently flying resupply missions to the space station.
It is already being designed to deep space journeys, Musk said, with an ablative carbon heat shield capable of withstanding re-entry speeds from the moon, which are much faster than descent velocities from low Earth orbit missions.
But the Dragon capsule will need new systems for the trip to the moon and back, such as deep space communications equipment.
“This would be communication at several hudnred thousand kilometers (more than 250,000 miles), as opposed to around 400 kilometers (250 miles at the space station’s orbit),” Musk said. “It’s mostly with respect to the communications system, but Dragon is designed to be hardy with regard to … space radiation and have triple-redundant systems. We feel that the modifications necessary will be quite limited.”
"Были когда-то и мы рысаками!!!"
 
парсон за ссылку на внешний источник, но зато там мой перевод официального пресс-релиза целиком: https://vk.com/elonmusk?w=wall-51873373_204814
 
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Russell Hannigan‏ @RussellHannigan  35 мин.35 минут назад  
@jamesbmeigs @spacecom Branson has to be one of them.

CarloGiulio Bencini‏ @CarloBencini  34 мин.34 минуты назад  
@spacecom good guess: there are not so many people that can afford it. Add the passion for spaceflight and very few names remain.

Ben Cartwright‏ @Astro_Adept  53 мин.53 минуты назад  
@spacecom Given that SpX are building ~4 D2s in parallel, no

Jonathan Hammond‏ @jartan  53 мин.53 минуты назад  
@spacecom agree with the first, Steve Jurvetson for the second

Garrett Curley‏ @ga2re2t  51 мин.51 минуту назад  
@spacecom it will distract from Mars. Elon said SpaceX was transitioning personnel from Falcon dev to ITS dev. That'll be slowed now.

Jim Meigs‏Подлинная учетная запись @jamesbmeigs  51 мин.51 минуту назад  
Jim Meigs Ретвитнул(а) Parabolicarc.com  
Those are excellent guesses. Especially Cameron. He's an explorer at heart and not fazed by big risks—Already done Mariana Trench after all
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https://twitter.com/spacecom/status/836338245222838277  
Parabolicarc.com @spacecom  
My guess for the 2 #SpaceX lunar passengers: Jim Cameron and Sergey Brin. What's your best guess? #ElonMusk

Parabolicarc.com‏ @spacecom  54 мин.54 минуты назад  
My guess for the 2 #SpaceX lunar passengers: Jim Cameron and Sergey Brin. What's your best guess? #ElonMusk

Parabolicarc.com‏ @spacecom  58 мин.58 минут назад  
Even if #SpaceX moon flight is after start of ISS comm crew flights, will planning & production work distract from the ISS activities?

Emily Calandrelli‏Подлинная учетная запись @TheSpaceGal  1 ч.1 час назад  
Emily Calandrelli Ретвитнул(а) William Harwood
Musk is telling reporters that the moon flight would cost about the same as a ticket to ISS. Last flight to ISS cost $35 million.
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https://twitter.com/cbs_spacenews/status/836327448002330624  
William Harwood @cbs_spacenews  
SpaceX/Update: Musk said the cost would be similar to what it would take for a private citizen to visit the space station

Parabolicarc.com‏ @spacecom  1 ч.1 час назад  
Even if #ElonMusk misses 2018 goal for #SpaceX human mission around moon he can make @realDonaldTrump happy by doing it before 2020 election

☾Sith Lord Rachelle‏ @GalileoMoon  1 ч.1 час назад  
☾Sith Lord Rachelle Ретвитнул(а) Jason Major
I second this.
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https://twitter.com/JPMajor/status/836333395558944768  
Jason Major @JPMajor  
Ima go 'head and just scrub that Moon launch until NET 2020 right now

Parabolicarc.com‏ @spacecom  1 ч.1 час назад  
Do you think #ElonMusk's #SpaceX will be able to send two space tourists around the moon by the end of 2018?

Parabolicarc.com‏ @spacecom  1 ч.1 час назад  
OK, everyone. Let the speculation begin as to which two people put down deposits for #SpaceX Crew Dragon flight around moon. #ElonMusk

Parabolicarc.com‏ @spacecom  1 ч.1 час назад  
OTOH, #ElonMusk's schedules never hold. End of 20118 for circumlunar crew Dragon flight is optimistic #SpaceX

Parabolicarc.com‏ @spacecom  1 ч.1 час назад  
If schedule holds, #SpaceX will launch crewed Dragon around moon at end of 2018 -- 50 years after first human mission there by Apollo 8.
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